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THE NEW COVENANT

Six sermons by David Wilkerson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhERYLteo-c&list=PL56B05D3BC61B40AB


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1 Cor. 11:23-26 (NASB)—

For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is THE NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.


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The body of Christ now being the temple of God goes without saying. That is a given beyond dispute.

The Jews rebuilding a physical temple in a vain attempt to once again please the God of their fathers is an altogether different matter. You are not even speaking of the same thing. The Jews rebuilding a physical temple does nothing to alter the fact that God now dwells within those who have placed their faith in Christ. I've heard it so many times when making mention of a rebuilt Jewish temple. The thought is, well the body of Christ is now God's temple. Of course it is, yet the rebuilding of a temple by the Jews is not even speaking of the same subject. It helps to clarify this.


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/MESSIAH “CUT OFF’ IN MIDDLE OF SEVENTIETH WEEK

Dan. 9:26-27 (YLT) –
And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah………And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease…

It is inferred from information in the Gospel of John that the ministry of Christ lasted three and a half year. This is supported by the Law of the Passover Lamb. The lamb was selected 4 days before it was sacrificed (Ex. 12:1-6). Jesus was declared to be the Lamb of God at His baptism by John the Baptist (John 1:29), in whom God is well-pleased (Luke 3:22). Four years from His baptism brings us to His crucifixion and resurrection in the middle of the seventieth week, 30 AD.

And with Christ’s one offering all other offerings were taken away (Heb. 10). And by the New Covenant in His blood, the old Covenant was made obsolete (Heb. 8). Everlasting righteousness was brought in and the Holy Spirit has come to fill disciples of Christ, anointing God’s spiritual temple (Dan. 9:24 – “and to anoint the most holy place”. Also, see 2 Cor. 1:21).

Thus ends the prophecy for the Seventy Weeks.

No event was prophesied to mark the end of the seventy weeks.

Christ’s great sacrifice and the New Covenant in His blood has opened for all mankind the glorious eternal day of truth and grace.

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Jerusalem was destroyed 40 years later in 70 AD. This event is not an event within the 70 weeks (Re: Dan. 9:24)./

*/It is inferred from information in the Gospel of John that the ministry of Christ lasted three and a half year. This is supported by the Law of the Passover Lamb. The lamb was selected 4 days before it was sacrificed (Ex. 12:1-6). Jesus was declared to be the Lamb of God at His baptism by John the Baptist (John 1:29), in whom God is well-pleased (Luke 3:22). Four years from His baptism brings us to His crucifixion and resurrection in the middle of the seventieth week, 30 AD.*/

This seems to me to be changing horses mid-stream. I say this because this view advocates that the time from the issuing of the decree to rebuild to the crucifixion and resurrection are to be counted as literal years. Yet the final three and a half years of the 70th week (occurring after the crucifixion and resurrection) is said to represent the entire church age up until the second coming. So, the first sixty nine and a half weeks are measured in literal years while the second half of the seventieth week represents thousand of years. Why change methods of interpretation mid-stream?

/No event was prophesied to mark the end of the seventy weeks./

I would disagree. The resurrection of the dead and the re-instatement of Israel to covenant favor under Christ occurs at the end of the 70th week. Daniel 12:1 speaks of a time of distress for the nation such as has never occurred followed in Daniel 12:2 by a description of the resurrection. The resurrection is when Christ comes again. Thus ending the 70th week. The large interim of time between His first and second coming is what was unforeseen.

Thank you. I'm very sorry for taking this long to try and get back to you.


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 Re: The Clauses of Daniel 9:24

This my view of the clauses of Daniel 9:24.

The Clauses of Daniel 9:24

24 Seventy weeks have been decreed (determined) for
your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement (reconciliation)for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy place.

God's plan of redemption is based on two advents of Christ. The clauses of Daniel 9:24 speak of seven Messanic triumphs to be achieved in two stages - partly at the first coming of Christ and completed at His second advent.

FIRST COMING

1) to finish the transgression

To the Jews of that day, the finishing of the transgression could mean only one thing: It meant the end of the sinful condition that was perpetuating the curse and delaying the promise of everlasting security in the Land. It meant the end of rebellion and wrath from God because of the nation's disobedience and reckless disregard of His law. They understood that so long as this condition of national apostasy would persist, the day of the Lord that would accomplish the final discipline of the covenant and the bringing in of the promise of an everlasting righteousness was yet future.

"to finish the transgression" can also have an appropriate application to Christ's victory over sin and death at Calvary

2) to make an end of sin

This also speaks to Jews and Christians of the time promised when the sin of Israel would no longer prevail to hold back the promise that an all righteous and eternally preserved nation would inherit the Land forever by a righteousness that is forever, a righteousness that is not their own. It speaks particularly to the Christian who sees application to Jesus' triumph over the claim of sin and the accusations of Satan by the atonement and the breaking of sin's power over the life by the gift of the Holy Spirit received by faith in Jesus. This aspect of this promise was sealed at Messiah's first advent and will be entered into by the surviving remnant of Israel at His return.

3) to make atonement (reconciliation) for iniquity

The meaning to the Jews of that day was that this atone- ment and reconciliation would be made by sacrificial tem-ple ceremonies but through the revelation of the mystery of the gospel, we see a much more eternal foundation of the everlasting covenant in the Lamb slain from the foun-dation of the world. He is the anointed prince (Messiah) who is introduced in Dan 9:25 and "cut off" in Dan 9:26 at the end of the sixty ninth week. All that will be made sure to the nation at the day of the Lord, at the end of the seventieth week is based on what was accomplished in Messiah's atoning death at the end of the sixty ninth week. Through the revelation of the gospel and the present gift of the Spirit, this has come now, in unexpec-ted advance of that day, as the New Covenant in His blood.

SECOND COMING

4) to bring in everlasting righteousness

By His atonement Christ purchased everlasting righteousness by His atoning death, but whereas this is available now to the believer in Jesus, it is not be 'brought in' for the nation until the end when all Israel will enter into
the righteousness of Christ when Jesus will reveal Himself
to the surviving remnant and a nation will be born at once,'in one day', enabled now to possess the Land in final peace and security, never again to be plucked up or rooted out.

5) to seal up vision and prophecy

This does not mean to 'fulfill' the vision and prophecy.
This is speaking particularly of Isaiah's sealed vision(Isa 8:14-17; 28:9-10, 12-13; 29:10-14, 18-19; 45:3; 48:6),
which echoes from the Song of Moses (Deut 32:34). It
means that until the end of the seventieth week, when God's face would no longer be hidden from the nation as a whole(see Deut 31:17-18; 32:20 with Isa 8:14-18; Eze 39:23-24, 29), the vision and prophecy would be 'concealed' from all but the believing remnant from whom God's face was never hidden (Isa 8:16; Mk 4:11-12).

When the heart of the nation will be turned to the Lord,
the mystery of God will be finished and the veil that covers, not only the Jewish heart but the nations will be
removed in one day at the last trump (see Isa 25:7 with
Isa 66:8; Rev 10:7).

6) and prophecy

See #5 above

7) to anoint the most holy place

For those who read prophecy literally as the exiles who first received Daniel's book, this can only mean the 'holy place'(Mt 24:15) that has been so recently defiled by the Antichrist, as foreshadowed in the desecration by the Syrian tyrant of the second century B.C. According to Ezekiel's prophecy (Eze 40-48), a new temple will be erected after the great conflagration of Armageddon. It will be situated on a newly elevated plain as described in Zechariah chapter 14. It is here, shortly after the ending of the seventieth week, evidently after a season of profoundly deep and contrite mourning, the newly reformed nation will rededicate the temple by first anointing the mos\t holy place, which is the in most part of the temple.


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Thank you, David (Docs), for your replies. Am busy, will reply when free.


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David (Doc),

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The body of Christ now being the temple of God goes without saying. That is a given beyond dispute.

The Jews rebuilding a physical temple in a vain attempt to once again please the God of their fathers is an altogether different matter. You are not even speaking of the same thing. The Jews rebuilding a physical temple does nothing to alter the fact that God now dwells within those who have placed their faith in Christ. I've heard it so many times when making mention of a rebuilt Jewish temple. The thought is, well the body of Christ is now God's temple. Of course it is, yet the rebuilding of a temple by the Jews is not even speaking of the same subject. It helps to clarify this.



Then why bring 2 Thess. 2:3-4 into Dan. 9:27 and assert that the Antichrist will desecrate the Jewish temple in the seventieth week??


2 Thess. 2:3-4 –
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


Is the temple of God in 2 Thess. 2:4 a Jewish temple?


Stephen said that God does not dwell in the Jewish temple:

Acts 7:46-49 –
David found favor in God's sight, and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.
But it was Solomon who built a house for Him.
However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:
'HEAVEN IS MY THRONE, AND EARTH IS THE FOOTSTOOL OF MY FEET;
WHAT KIND OF HOUSE WILL YOU BUILD FOR ME?' says the Lord,
'OR WHAT PLACE IS THERE FOR MY REPOSE?
WAS IT NOT MY HAND WHICH MADE ALL THESE THINGS?'

Paul himself said:

Acts 17:24 –
The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;


Paul said we are the temple of God (God’s new creation) and he said:

2 Cor. 13:5 (KJV) –
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Can we say as Jesus said:

John 14:30 (KJV) –
……the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.


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The Jews accused Paul of desecrating their temple!

Acts 24:5-6 –
For we have found this man a real pest and a fellow who stirs up dissension among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes. And he even tried to desecrate the temple; and then we arrested him. We wanted to judge him according to our own Law.

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I will reply to other points you raised when free.


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/Then why bring 2 Thess. 2:3-4 into Dan. 9:27 and assert that the Antichrist will desecrate the Jewish temple in the seventieth week??/

Because the believing body of Christ, Jew or Gentile, now being the temple of God and still unbelieving Jews vainly rebuilding a physical temple and beginning sacrifices again are two different things.

Also, the abomination of desolation is spoken of four times, not just once in Daniel 9:27. Daniel 8:11-12; 9:27; 11:31; 12:11. Each time it is spoken of, the cessation of daily sacrifices is also spoken of. So, in Matthew 24:15 when Jesus said, "when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, the prophet, standing in the holy place...", was Jesus speaking of something different or was He speaking of the same thing Daniel was? It's entirely consistent to believe he was referring to the same thing Daniel was. At this point in Matthew 24:15, the scriptures also state,"whoever reads, let him understand." So, going to Daniel to find the meaning is being obedient to the words of Jesus.

Matthew 24:15 - "Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE" (whoever reads, let him understand)…."

The reference to the holy place made by Jesus here could only have been understood to mean the holy place or inner sanctum of the Jewish temple - the holy of holies. It's the same with Paul in II Thessalonians 2:4. The Jewish people of that day could only have understood this to refer to the Jewish temple. Now, the great vexation arises in trying to interpret this. The Jewish temple of that day was destroyed and almost 2,000 years have gone by with most of the time the Jewish nation being dispersed and scattered from Palestine. Yet now they are back again although largely in unbelief. Jesus said the abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15)would set off a time of great tribulation such as has never occurred (Matthew 24:21) and would end in His second coming at the sound of a great trumpet (Matthew 24:29-31). None of this HAS OCCURRED YET. But without a Jewish presence in the land this end of the age scenario cannot occur. Yet now, against all odds, there is again a Jewish presence in the land again after almost two millennia.

Since each time the abomination was spoken of by Daniel it is accompanied by the ceasing of daily sacrifices, then it is not out of the park speculation to believe that, at some point, the Jewish nation (still largely in unbelief) will make a vain attempt to build again a temple and resume sacrifices. All that has come before has been types and patterns of a ultimate eschatological fulfillment still to occur.

Also, how could a man of sin enter into the church, the temple of God, and speak great blasphemies and declare himself to be God? No man of sin/Antichrist can enter into my innermost man where God dwells and utter blasphemies and declare himself to be God. It is not possible. But into a literal physical temple built again by unbelieving Jews in a vain attempt to become right with God again he would be able to enter. And he does this in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK (Daniel 9:27).

None of this possible many say. For centuries they also said that a Jewish return to the land was not possible and would never occur again.

Jesus gave us the grandest and clearest of keys to unlocking the timing of the question, "When will these things be and what will be the SIGN OF YOUR COMING and the END OF THE AGE? Jesus said, "When you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet..." Taking place during the middle of the week.

1) A consistent hermeneutic of interpretation should be applied. It seems inconsistent in my opinion to advocate that from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until the crucifixion and resurrection should be counted in literal years, but the remaining three and a half years of the 70th week after the crucifixion and resurrection represents thousand of years encompassing the entirety of the church age.

2) The believing church now being the temple of God is beyond dispute while the rebuilding of a physical temple by unbelieving Jews is another matter altogether. A rebuilt temple would in no way obscure of render void the firm and indisputable reality that the believing people of God are now the temple of the indwelling God.

3) The abomination of desolation is not mentioned once by Daniel but four times. Daniel 8:11-12; 9:27; 11:31; 12:11.
When the abomination of desolation is mentioned it is always accompanied by reference to the taking away of daily sacrifices thereby setting off the distinct possibility of another temple being in service. It is doubtful renewed sacrifices would be attempted in any place but a temple. And this temple would have to be built again since it does not currently exist.

4) According to Jesus, the abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15) sets off a great and final tribulation (Matthew 24:21 - compare with Daniel 12:1) leading to the return of Christ AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days (Matthew 24:29-31). These things have not occurred.

5) To "anoint" the Most Holy" (Daniel 9:24) does not refer to anointing Christ. Christ is not a place but a person.

6) How can the man of sin/Antichrist enter into the temple of God and defile it? If he can, then the enemy can enter our born again inner man. I don't believe this is possible.

7) The abomination of desolation occurs mid-week (Daniel 9:27) and ends in the return of Christ and the resurrection of the dead at the end of the 70th week. How then can the remaining 70th week not still be a future event?

8) A Jewish presence in the land is essential for the end time scenario forecast by the Bible and there they are again against all odds and against many forecasts made by master theologians who have long ago and currently written Israel off as not having any remaining prophetic significance!






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/Then why bring 2 Thess. 2:3-4 into Dan. 9:27 and assert that the Antichrist will desecrate the Jewish temple in the seventieth week??/

Because the believing body of Christ, Jew or Gentile, now being the temple of God and still unbelieving Jews vainly rebuilding a physical temple and beginning sacrifices again are two different things.



Then why are members of the believing body of Christ bringing 2 Thess. 2:3-4 into Dan. 9:27 to support “unbelieving Jews vainly rebuilding a physical temple and beginning sacrifices”?

2 Thess. 2:3-4 has been misapplied.

Take away 2 Thess. 2:3-4 and there is NO scriptural ground for the need of a Jewish temple in the Seventieth Week (Dan. 9:27) and the view that the Antichrist will desecrate the Jewish temple in the seventieth week crumbles.



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The reference to the holy place made by Jesus here could only have been understood to mean the holy place or inner sanctum of the Jewish temple - the holy of holies. It's the same with Paul in II Thessalonians 2:4. The Jewish people of that day could only have understood this to refer to the Jewish temple.



II Thessalonians was written to Thessalonian CHRISTIANS, NOT to the Jewish people.

The Christians that Paul had taught would have been grounded in the truth that they themselves, believers, were the temple of God (1 Cor. 6:19, 1 Cor. 3:16, 1 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 6:16, Eph. 2:19-22).



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Also, how could a man of sin enter into the church, the temple of God, and speak great blasphemies and declare himself to be God? No man of sin/Antichrist can enter into my innermost man where God dwells and utter blasphemies and declare himself to be God. It is not possible……How can the man of sin/Antichrist enter into the temple of God and defile it? If he can, then the enemy can enter our born again inner man. I don't believe this is possible.



Paul tells us that God dwells in the church:

Eph. 2:19-22 –
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Can the church fall away and cease to be the dwelling place of God?

Most certainly the church can lose Christ as her first love and lose the light of Christ and plunge into sin and darkness as the church in Ephesus did.

Rev. 2:4,5 –
But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place-- unless you repent.

Most certainly the church can evict Christ as the church in Laodicea did.

Rev. 3:20 –
Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.


Ezek. 14:2-3, 6 –
And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and have put right before their faces the stumbling block of their iniquity.”……”Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Repent and turn away from your idols and turn your faces away from all your abominations……”’”

2 Pet. 1:19 –
So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.

That is, the prophetic word is the lamp shining in a dark place until the day dawns when Christ, the Morning Star (Rev. 22:16) arises in our hearts, till Christ dwells in our hearts by faith (Eph. 3:14-19) and becomes our Light of Life.


Paul warned Timothy about the apostasy, the falling away from faith in the Lord Jesus.

1 Tim. 4:1 --
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

When the apostasy comes and Christ no longer dwells in the hearts of believers, His holy temple, the man of sin takes His place, as Paul wrote:

2 Thess. 2:3-4 –
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Who is the antichrist?

1 John 4:2-3 (NKJV) –
By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

Comment:

The Spirit of Christ will lead us into all truth (i.e. lead us into Christ for Christ is the Truth – John 14:6). We are in Christ and Christ in us when the Spirit of Christ indwells us (John 14:16-20). Christ is tabernacled in our flesh and we do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit, for “I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me (Gal. 2:20).

The spirit of Antichrist opposes Christ in us, rejects Christ tabernacled in our flesh, rejects "it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me”. We will not have this Man to rule over us! Man will be his own god (Gen. 3:22), eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, abounding in his own wisdom (which is foolishness to God), walking “according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience”, living “in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind” and the boastful pride of life (Eph. 2:2-3, 1 John 2:16).



God says to us:

Prov. 23:26 –
Give me your heart, my son,
And let your eyes delight in my ways.


BUT,

Isa. 14:13-14 –
But you said in your heart,
'I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne above the stars of God,
And I will sit on the mount of assembly
In the recesses of the north.
'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.'

Phil. 2:21 –
For they all seek after their own interests, not those of Christ Jesus.



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To "anoint" the Most Holy" (Daniel 9:24) does not refer to anointing Christ. Christ is not a place but a person.



On the Day of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit was poured out to anoint all believers, God’s holy temple, God’s holy dwelling place.

1 Pet. 2:4-5 –
And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Eph. 2:20-22 –
………Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.





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Also, the abomination of desolation is spoken of four times, not just once in Daniel 9:27. Daniel 8:11-12; 9:27; 11:31; 12:11. Each time it is spoken of, the cessation of daily sacrifices is also spoken of. So, in Matthew 24:15 when Jesus said, "when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, the prophet, standing in the holy place...", was Jesus speaking of something different or was He speaking of the same thing Daniel was? It's entirely consistent to believe he was referring to the same thing Daniel was. At this point in Matthew 24:15, the scriptures also state,"whoever reads, let him understand." So, going to Daniel to find the meaning is being obedient to the words of Jesus.



I have commented on this on this thread re:

Taking Away of the Daily Sacrifice
--- Posted on 7/9/20

The Olivet Prophecy – The Abomination of Desolation
--- Posed on 11/9/20



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A consistent hermeneutic of interpretation should be applied. It seems inconsistent in my opinion to advocate that from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until the crucifixion and resurrection should be counted in literal years, but the remaining three and a half years of the 70th week after the crucifixion and resurrection represents thousand of years encompassing the entirety of the church age.



Did the angel Gabriel speak to Daniel about a “Church Age” when he gave Daniel the 70 Weeks Prophecy?



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