"Pilgrim and Sojourner." - 1 Peter 2:11
| Most Christians do not believe in a place of Eternal Torment by Joe Misko|
Most Christians do not believe in a place of eternal torment, usually referred to as hell, but some of them do believe in something worse. I mean Christians who generally take the Bible very seriously.
The pass on their merry way to church each Sunday and fellowship afterward, and then their happy home and work life the rest of the week, all the while claiming that the unbelievers they pass and interact with are on their way to an endless fiery burning, to the most horrendous forever-eaten-by-maggots existence imaginable.
Yet, so rarely, perhaps never, do they speak to them about this place of judgment and fire and torture. While claiming they believe that unbelievers are headed for the worst end, they spend however much or little time that they have among them conducting themselves as if these unbelievers were on their way to a vacation resort and that there is nothing to think about or prepare for or be warned of. It is very much like Paul wrote to Titus to reveal the true condition of things, pointing out that many people say they know God and his teachings, but through their actions they show the opposite.
This leaves two possible results. I believe the most common explanation is that most who say they are Christians do not really believe the words of Scripture. But there is a worse result, and that would be Christians who actually do believe the words of Scripture and yet receive these words so casually and with so little concern for their fellow humans that they never take any action, they never show any concern for their soul. God forbid that either case or way of thinking should ever remotely apply to any one of us.
May God work in this world and among his people such that the ones who claim to follow Christ on the narrow path would never follow such a path through this world of woe.
SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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| Re: Most Christians do not believe in a place of Eternal Torment by Joe Misko|
Samuel Davies did!
"Do not be amazed at this, because a time is coming when all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come out; those who have done good—unto the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil—unto the resurrection of damnation!" John 5:28-29
Alas! Multitudes shall come forth from their graves, not to the resurrection of life—but to the resurrection of damnation! What terror is in the words!
See them bursting into life from their subterranean dungeons! Horror throbs through every vein—and glares wildly and furiously in their eyes. Every joint trembles and every countenance looks downcast and gloomy! Now they see that tremendous Day of which they were warned in vain—and shudder at those terrors of which they once made light. They now experientially know the grand business of the Day and the dreadful purpose for which they are roused from their slumbers in the grave:
to be tried,
to be convicted,
to be condemned, and
to be dragged away to execution!
"And they will go away into eternal punishment!" (Matthew 25:46) They must go away into the bottomless pit! There they are confined in chains of darkness, and cast into the burning lake of fire and brimstone forever and ever!
In that dreadful word "forever" lies the epitome of torment! This is the 'hell' of Hell. If they might be but released from suffering, though it were by annihilation after they have wept away ten thousand millions of ages in extremity of pain—it would be some mitigation, some encouragement. But, alas! When as many millions of ages are passed as the stars of heaven, or the sands on the seashore, or the atoms of dust in this huge earthly globe—their punishment is as far from an end—as when the sentence was first pronounced upon them!
FOREVER! There is no exhausting of that word! When it is affixed to the highest degree of misery—the terror of the sound is utterly insupportable!
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| Re: Most Christians do not believe in a place of Eternal Torment by Joe Misko|
Joe Misko wrote ; “This leaves two possible results”.
While I don’t disagree with this brother, there may be more than two possible results... ?
There seems to be a (substantial) group that sincerely sought the Lord tho lacked any idea how to, other than to attend a church or ask an acquaintance about coming to the Lord. Often there is an embarrassment and extreme shame in ones life before this takes place producing a vulnerability which the Lord uses to the good. However it seems this group quite often gets led astray by deception from either the acquaintance or the pulpit... when they read the words of the Bible and are convicted by them they offer this to their fellow Christians only to be met with other scriptures that serve to refute and confuse them to such a point that, tho they may still attend the fellowship, their growth is stunted if not outright aborted.
This produces a fruit nobody wants but everyone tolerates and acts normal about and around under the guise of “grace”....
this is not about honesty mistakes or immaturity, this is about deception that has been coddled and normalized which has served to rob the Word of its effectual work in the hearts and lives by the millions. Often this goes not only unchecked (corrected) but effectively promoted by the “church” resulting in a self focused plasticized fruit in the would be believer - while it’s not necessarily an evil thing to desire universal salvation which serves to dismiss the doctrine of hell (eternal torment) it is an evil thing to lay this charge at the foot of the cross where the propitiation for sin was made as an offering not only to God but also to humanity. At the end of the day, a gospel without hell is a gospel that saves “in sin” not “from sin” and serves to cement the recipient in a perpetual (and exhausting) feat of working to get on the “good” side of the wrong tree and is characterized by self-righteousness.... producing Martha’s instead of Mary’s.
There is a bit of this in most if not all of us as a latent tendency (flesh) until which time we have eyes to see it (Romans 7) and seek the Lord for deliverance (Romans 8). Many of us fall short of the objective of this revelation due to deception being taught,... mistaking Gods patience for tolerance, which effectively denies Christ His right to command His own body - May the Lord have mercy and may we seek that mercy while it can be found, for the day is coming where the provision of mercy is off the table of service of the LORD.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
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