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narrowpath
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 List of omissions in modern bible translations

This post is not to promote KJV only, but to check the background of modern bible translations.
The arguments between textcritical and Textus Receptus proponents are ongoing.
I found a document that puts those in a chart and at first glance even an unlearned Christian reader can discern that the differences clearly follow a pattern.

You can find it when you google
"Amazing Westcott and Hort Magic Marker Binge"

The TR includes stronger statements on the deity of Christ, the trinity, the blood, eternal judgement and other fundamental truths, whereas the textcritical translations omit or weaken these.

The Comma Johaneum is the most striking one and the last verse of the Lord's prayer another one.

This is no small matter, and it seems that many popular bible teachers promote these modern versions, especially the reformed ones.


I prefer the KJV and NKJV over many modern versions, and there are good TR based bible versions in other languages.

May God give us wisdom and discernment.


 2020/5/1 19:09Profile
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 Re: List of omissions in modern bible translations

Here is a link:

https://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/themagicmarker.html

 2020/5/2 14:07Profile
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Good grief.


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Hi narrowpath,

I started with the NIV and switched to the NASB. Most of these omissions are actually also in the NASB but with the notation that they were not in earlier manuscripts or that they were included in a few late manuscripts and versions.

Anyway, HOW have these omissions corrupted the gospel message?


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The TR includes stronger statements on the deity of Christ, the trinity, the blood, eternal judgement and other fundamental truths, whereas the textcritical translations omit or weaken these.




It is not the stronger statements” of the TR but the power of the Holy Spirit that counts.


1 Cor. 2:4-5

NKJV –
And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

NASB –
and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.


John 16:13-14

NKJV –
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.

NASB –
But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.


Blessings


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 2020/5/3 1:10Profile
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[It is not the stronger statements” of the TR but the power of the Holy Spirit that counts.]

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth, and He will never compromise or overule the written word.

I am not a New Testament Scholar, but I believe it though the Greek TR has stronger statements not because someone edited them to make them stronger but rather the Alexandrian texts were weakened according to gnostic influences the scribes were under.

They call those texts that they base the new translations on
majority text and claim that because they are earlier manuscripts, they are more likely to be original.

This does not convince me.

Here are some striking examples, check for yourself:

Mark 1:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Mark 1:2 English Standard Version (ESV)
As it is written in ISAIAH THE prophet,
“Behold, I send my messenger before your face,
who will prepare your way,

This is actually a citation from Mal 3:1, not Isaiah

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and the Lord's Prayer in Luke 11:2-4

King James Version (KJV)
2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

Luke 11:2-4 ESV - cut out a lot:
“Father, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
3Give us each day our daily bread,
4and forgive us our sins,
for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.

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Matthew 20:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Matthew 20:16 English Standard Version (ESV)
16 So the last will be first, and the first last.”
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and as far as references to the Old Testament are concerned, they are missing in Mk 15:28, Mt 27:35 and Mk 13:14

and last not least the textcritical Westcort-Hort text does not include Mark 16:9-20 but most new translations still keep it in the text body and only mention that they are not included in majority Greek texts.

Though most passages are more or less identical, but there are important missing pieces.

It is like a coat with many holes. It is still 99% coat, but would you wear it for business, in winter or to protect yourself from rain?

Certainly not!


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//This is actually a citation from Mal 3:1, not Isaiah//

Actually it’s both. Mal. 3:1 and Is. 40:3.


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The verses are similar, but the citation is definitely from Mal 3:1.

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Funny that Matthew Henry, who I assume used the Authorized KJV, disagrees with you.


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Matthew Henry mentions first Maleachi, and then Isaiah, so he does not disagree with me, you can reference the bible verses for yourself.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/mhc/Mar/Mar_001.cfm?a=958002

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Right- it’s both. So it is not correct to say that versions which mention Isaiah are inaccurate.


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