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Hi Brothers and Sisters,
Just a follow up Look and See what the qualifications are A:You have to Worships the beast And Recieve its mark either on forehead or hand .



Revelation 14:9-11 New International Version (NIV)

9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath.
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9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

 2020/4/29 22:56Profile
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 Re: Guardian video- article

Yes this is exactly what I have been saying- there is a ideological war currently being fought and (IMO) it is only the physical manifestation of the spiritual battle that’s being fought.
Thank the Lord that our President isn’t buying into their scheme. 🙏🏻

There is no middle ground, no place where the two share a common objective as the two world views are not only diametrically opposed but the very definition of the terms utilized by both parties to express their objectives have completely different definitions making a reasonable discussion impossible as the very value systems founding the two parties are incompatible.

What one side sees as good, profitable and virtuous is seen by the opposing side as criminal, immoral and evil.
For example, those whom seek to perpetuate an ideology resulting in demoralization see their efforts and objectives as good, virtuous and necessary to achieve “peace” as they define it. Whereas those whom seek to establish rectitude, view the demoralizing as a cancerous, corrosive agent.
The primary difference in the objectives is one seeks to gain power, while the other seeks to give it....
The forced vaccines are gonna be far more acceptable when “phase ll” begins to be realized which will (in part) be a food shortage followed by rationing of resources due to the current lapse in market productivity creating a “gap” in the supply chain beginning in approx 3-5 months -
Obviously some countries will be affected more than others regarding certain resources. But this “gap” is by design and will be fully exploited to leverage nations into compliance with the vaccinations, chips, immunization passports, stopping dissidence... this has all been planned for quiet some time and can be easily sourced with a lil initiative. These operations are being carried out both inside and outside governmental departments with infiltrated agencies and departments acting in concert with NGO’s to bring about the objective. While the objectives are somewhat fixed, the means are fluid and adaptable... opportunistic in their approach on multiple platforms and outlets simultaneously, mimicking organic systemic growth so as to remain just outside the sphere of focus for the vast majority of people groups,... that is until now :)

Here are a couple of links for those whom enjoy research-
http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf

https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/organization/119629.pdf


The first is NGO (Non governmental organization)
The second is found to have infiltrated our government operations from within.

I know I keep sayin this but for those who have ears,... Armor up and begin to do battle in prayer -
As Leonard Ravenhill said- either America begins to concentrate in prayer or she will be praying in concentration camps ! He wasn’t joking btw


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 2020/4/29 23:35Profile
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 Re: My stand on medicines and vaccines and human rights

At least Denmark has this rule, India has no such law but anyone can be forced to treatment. There are cases in India where a person is forcefully taken to hospital for Covid19 treatment, later announced that the person is dead and not even showing their body! Having come from such a culture of human rights violation, these new laws do not surprise me!

But to people here in SI who are mostly exposed to only Western world, there is so much to panic because of these rights of yours are now taken out! As a Christian we should always be willing to give up our rights without protesting. Standing and fighting for rights is to fight with flesh and blood which will turn our attention from real spiritual battle. I was recently reading in Acts how Peter was chained to 2 prison guards and was constantly being watched by 2 other guards at the door. Even in this circumstance, Peter was found happily sleeping when the Angel appeared to him. How will we stand before such saints, if we are panicking for this Pandemic and social distancing. I am refering to the thread that called social distancing and shelter in place as violation of American freedom! Shame on Christians with such views.

I believe medicines and vaccines are God given provision for healing. It is stupidity to reject these things in the name of divine healing. It can be compared to jumping from the temple ignoring the stairs! Jesus did not test God like that. So we too should not put God to test by ignoring the medicine in hand in the name of faith!

I am also aware of some who look deep into how vaccines are made and take decisions. I have done my research as well and nothing concrete to support their claims that such Christians make about vaccines. My stand here is, based on what Paul advised, eat what is available in meat market without asking questions (1 Cor 10:15). Unless it is openly announced that aborted babies are used to create vaccines, there is no need for a Christian to ignore them by looking deep into hidden things. This is same as how some Christians in Corinth looked into meat market and found out that the meats are sacrificed to idols. Paul's call is simple, do not look deep but eat by faith without questioning. The same thing is applicable here to vaccines as well.


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I have another theory about this entire crisis:

COVID-19 is a test run by the enemy. Satan nor his forces are omniscient. They do not possess that attribute of God in even a small degree. I think it is entirely possible that they are strategizing, playing scenarios, as would a military commander when designing war games. They know their time is short. They are coordinating their forces and running tests to see how effective their communication and control over events on the earth are. This might sound far-fetched, but how else do you explain the fear, the propaganda, the coordination of so many world leaders who didn't council with one another, yet are doing the same things. There are forces outside of themselves controlling them.

At the same time, I believe that God is sovereign over these things. This also serves as a warning. Think of how many churches on earth were shut down for this. I am living in Louisiana right now and the government barely had to breathe a word about a shutdown and almost all the churches in this state caved and quit meeting. Even my church, which I was sure would not do that was one of the first! I was so angry when all this happened, I didn't know what to do. However, I think I have gained a measure of wisdom in all of this.

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Hi
A friend who is a pastor said he was praying on his own in the Church due to the lockdown and he felt while praying that it was a "warning" and I didnt get to talk more about it with him,staff

 2020/4/30 12:41Profile
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I am not sure why Churches are not using online to meet with believers. We use Zoom. One reason I think the main motivation of most pastors are to collect money, since they cannot pass offering bucket via online meeting they do not encourage it!

We have online Zoom meeting where all can get a chance to prophesy and see each other. It is a blessed meeting.


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 Re: brother Sree

It’s understandable that each nation has unique challenges in navigating this situation, even “if” they were each being individually directed by Holy Spirit it would still be reasonable that their instruction would vary based on needs relating to resources.
Having said that you’ve touched on a number of themes and it may help you to have more “local” information with which to understand the actions of those about whom you are speaking-

Firstly most every/any church in America that has an online presence also has an online portal to receive tithes so, at least in America, monies can certainly be given without being physically present.
Also at least partly the reason some Americans are skeptical about using ZOOM is the degree of illegal data mining of the users and the subsequent unauthorized and illegal sharing of said information with large private entities as we as foreign governments- as being reported in the news here- which has been confirmed by congressional members bringing this up publicly as well as lawsuits being filed to stop it.

Regarding vaccines, there is a wealth of data confirming and supporting, at the least a healthy skepticism if not a plea for exemptions. Again this can be easily sourced and vetted for authenticity and credibility. In fact certain meetings regarding the toxicity and morbidity of certain vaccines took place “off campus” of the CDC in an attempt to keep the discussions of the reports off the record and out of reach of public view.

As far as “Americans and their rights”... it may be beneficial for us to consider that in spite of all her misgivings, and there are many, America (church and state) has served to spread the gospel to more places than any other nation or combination of nations. While this doesn’t “excuse” her sins it would also be true that the Lord can and has still used the freedoms afforded by the constitution to be a blessing to the nations.

Please understand these statements are not being made in a spirit of contention nor as a defense,... simply to inform that there are other perspectives that are based on different information and experience. Which is to say that I am not attempting to argue with you dear brother:)


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 Re: Who wants a patriot?


I realize to many the US Constitution has no more importance to them than cereal box ingredients.

To others like myself. I will happily hazard being thought un-spiritual, unholy, un-anything-you-want.

But I wont let my self think of myself as an un-thankful slob who thinks God's blessing and creation of this nation was merely the gathering of some old white rich slave owner guys who should be imprisoned for not being WOKE in the 18th century.

If you live in a country that's still pagan without the slightest hint of Christian laws and freedoms, I can see why fighting for that is of no interest.

But that's not the case with the ole USA. We didn't start off pagan, we didn't start off homosexual-friendly, we didn't start off baby-murdering, we didn't start off hating all things Christian because it hinders un-impeded hedonism.

So, have done some reading on what why and how this nation got going. It didn't happen by accident, nor because some useless atheist ideology held the minds and hearts of our leaders, it was because Christianity was deeper than what it is now. Deeper in how to enforce and make laws, deeper in how to love and deal with your neighbor, this and much more.

My point is this nation is worth defending, worth loving, worth caring about and surely in my opinion worth preserving. Preserving a nation that offers freedoms where even wicked things can occur because of such freedoms.

I don't care if you find yourself extremely superior to me in all type of spiritual fruit bearing. Thank God for it.
Some of us died on the front lines, some in trenches, some in camps, some on boats or planes, but in the end died for something greater than their own opinion of their spiritual level.

I don't think is bad to vote for the socialist democrats I think its a shame, a betrayal of everything Christianity stands for. I don't think is bad to 'just let God' and go your passive way, I think its cowardice in your heart.

As long as a Christian is not a patriot, as long as he is a quiet high thinker of himself because he makes no waves, makes no one angry or takes no sacrificial stand the applause from the cowards will continue to sound in his ears.


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Please understand these statements are not being made in a spirit of contention nor as a defense,... simply to inform that there are other perspectives that are based on different information and experience. Which is to say that I am not attempting to argue with you dear brother:)



Brother, what I have explained here is my perspective of things. I give freedom for everyone to have their own perspective and faith. You did nothing wrong in explaining your understanding.

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As far as “Americans and their rights”... it may be beneficial for us to consider that in spite of all her misgivings, and there are many, America (church and state) has served to spread the gospel to more places than any other nation or combination of nations. While this doesn’t “excuse” her sins it would also be true that the Lord can and has still used the freedoms afforded by the constitution to be a blessing to the nations.



As a person who has lived 1/3 of his life in USA and still living, I appreciate the freedom here in America. I thank God for providing it. I have nothing against it. But I feel American Christianity is spoiled by this freedom to an extent that even a request for social distancing is seen as against this freedom. While we have all rights to enjoy freedom when given, we should not get addicted to it. I feel Western Christianity has addiction to this freedom which was God's mercy.

Only Freedom that we can expect from Government is freedom to worship our God (1 Tim 2:2). Any other freedom that we get is a bonus, we cannot demand it nor fight for it, but gladly accept when we are stripped of it.

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Regarding vaccines, there is a wealth of data confirming and supporting, at the least a healthy skepticism if not a plea for exemptions.



I agree there are lot of data available, enough to confuse an average mind! But my sand is to take 1 Cor 10:25 literal and follow it. We have an option to deny vaccine as long as it is kept optional, but if forced, then just take it. Our Lord promised us that even deadly poison will not kill us, how much more can a vaccine do? Again I see the same Western spoiled mentality of fighting for rights!

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Also at least partly the reason some Americans are skeptical about using ZOOM is the degree of illegal data mining of the users and the subsequent unauthorized


Regarding Zoom, as an IT guy, I understand the risk better. Even using any Google feature is risky. Google maps tracks where all you are going and they are free to do anything with this data.

Here again I see the same principle of being spoiled by American freedom! As a Christian we should live a life of open book. Jesus lived a 'come and see' life. He had nothing to hide and was willing to welcome disciples to his home even late night. If we are living such a life then why should we worry about privacy and data being stolen? What can maximum happen, you might lose your bank balance, so what? Dont we have a everlasting account in heaven?

The Churches in USA are so rich to develop their own online meeting site. It does not take that much money. There are other options like Zoom which are much expensive and secured.


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 Re: brother Sree

Ok then by your perspective regarding “forced vaccines” that we should “just take it” if it is no longer an option to opt out... would then you also hold that Joseph and Mary should’ve “just taken it” when Herod decreed all male babies be killed, effectively allowing Jesus and all that was contained within Him be destroyed because of an overreaching government official?
Or the same with Moses... should she have not “broken the law” and put him to flight in a basket hoping that by Gods grace a way would be made?

Or in other instances where officials sought to lay hands on Jesus or Paul but they fled, effectively escaping capture of the enforcers of the law, should they have “just taken it” as Gods sovereign will ?

And as far as “spoiled Americans” goes... you are right! There are literally millions of entitled, indulgent, self serving “spoiled Americans” yet and still there were a few who were brave, courageous, self less, self sacrificing, who gave their lives and the lives of their children believing in something greater than themselves, namely freedom- all knowing full well that the very freedom for which they were being sacrificed, would by many be used to further indulge their selfishness tho they, like Jesus, did it anyway 🙏🏻
So while you will get no quarrel with me for referring to the “spoiled Americans” it would be an unfair characterization not to also mention the selfless ones who have everything believing God would honor their sacrifice of faith,... cause He did 😇

Honestly one would have a very difficult time convincing me that Jesus, Peter, Paul, James etc... would be in agreement that they should cease church fellowship and social distance because it was suggested or ordered by a health care agency or government official.
The enemy will always find a way to convince us we aren’t supposed to be meeting together,... wether by creed, law, medical advisories or social responsibility- but remember he’s a liar ;)


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