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deogloria
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 The Gospel

We all talk about the Gospel. But it is quite likely that we all mean something different.
It is best to listen to the following message yourself, then you know better what I'm trying to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MExTc_SpQ0Q

The Gospel is paramount, so this is the true reality check.
If we don't get the Gospel right then nothing else really matters. Every other talk and discussion is unimportant.

The Bible and the Gospel go together.
But I might discuss the Bible in more detail in another thread

 2020/4/9 21:46Profile
deogloria
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 Re: The Gospel

In another thread I picked up the following statement:
“ The early settlers came here and planted a cross on the first beach they walked on after departing from their ship. They were carrying the blessings of Abraham to distant shores and a new country when they did this.”
Nobody seems to have a problem with that.

I don't think this quote is in your History Book and I cant find it in the Bible either.
William Bradford wrote that the Pilgrims had several reasons to come to America.One of the reasons was "the propagating & advancing the gospel of the kingdom of Christ in those remote parts of the world; yea, though they should be but even as stepping-stones unto others for the performing of so great a work..." (Bradford’s History of “Plimoth Plantation”)

The Gospel is paramount
Already many passages in the OT point to that ultimate sacrifice of Jesus.

From the NT Ephesians 3:6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus. 7I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of His power. 8Though I am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,…

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, and set apart for the gospel of God.

Feel free to add more Scripture references.
If you want to discuss the Covenant with Abraham, could you please do it in another thread, just to try and keep things simple.

A short video that I think is important:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYajBc_h7PE

May the Lord help us to come to a deeper understanding what it means "For God so loved the world..."

 2020/5/5 1:46Profile
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 Re: The Gospel

/In another thread I picked up the following statement:
“ The early settlers came here and planted a cross on the first beach they walked on after departing from their ship. They were carrying the blessings of Abraham to distant shores and a new country when they did this.”
Nobody seems to have a problem with that./

Why should they of had a problem with it? Why would they plant a cross unless they had the gospel in mind?

/I don't think this quote is in your History Book and I cant find it in the Bible either.
William Bradford wrote that the Pilgrims had several reasons to come to America. One of the reasons was "the propagating & advancing the gospel of the kingdom of Christ in those remote parts of the world; yea, though they should be but even as stepping-stones unto others for the performing of so great a work..." (Bradford’s History of “Plymouth Plantation”)/

I'm familiar with such statements that Bradford wrote. They are exactly the type of thing I was referring to. The true blessings of Abraham are only found in Christ.

5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as ABRAHAM "BELIEVED GOD,and it was ACCOUNTED TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Galatians 3:5-6)

What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, and it was ACCOUNTED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Romans 4:1-3)

7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, PREACHED THE GOSPEL TO ABRAHAM BEFOREHAND, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that THE BLESSING OF ABRAHAM MIGHT COME UPON THE GENTILES IN CHRIST JESUS, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. (Galatians 3:7-13)

"And if you are Christ's, then YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:29)

The true blessings of Abraham come only through faith in Christ. This is what I believed they knew when they planted a cross in the New World of America.




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David Winter

 2020/5/5 8:33Profile
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 Re:

Bro. Deogloria,

I appreciate such an important subject you have brought up.
I did look at articles that you offered.

But would you Please allow me,...?
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The gospel ,....
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We hear and know that there are many thoughts or traditions as to what ‘the gospel’ is,...
But what is ‘the gospel?’
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would you please consider what I am about to say ...?
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I have come to see, that many Words have lost their true meaning, could the word, ‘gospel ‘ be just one ?,....either by time, tradition, or ???,.. or (what I am fixing to say, is very STRONG,.. ) or for Satan to make words mean different than God’ intention, and cause many to go into hell, by getting distorted,.. but ! Would satan do such a thing?

We must needs, look to The Lord to help us understand,... seek His face, .. look through His eyes,..to see how He see’s.
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When The Lord showed me what ‘the kingdom of God’ was/is,... and I followed on,.. He showed me,... (me ! ,....who deserves NOTHING,.. )what ‘The Gospel’ is,.. actually it is in plain sight...Jesus Himself tells us what it is.
He called everything that He preached/taught, the gospel... He called it ‘the gospel of the kingdom’
...and He would emphasize ‘this’! “gospel of the kingdom.”
But, what does He mean, ‘the gospel of the kingdom’ ??
God has been wanting to bring man into The kingdom of God since man fell in Adams day..... so that was/and is His true interest.
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*The kingdom of God:
The resurrected Lord IN us.
..A place in God , where The Holy Spirit comes in by way of The Spirit to rule, be Lord, be King in our life.

..so as Jesus preached /taught on the kingdom of God/heaven, He was teaching the principles of that kingdom... how we are to live,... in His kingdom, that we, through The Spirit have been called into.

If we are to discount what Jesus said, then we know that He would have not said it.
So everything He preached/taught was ‘the gospel’....w/nothing left out... and note, it was not the law,.. but it is being filled w/ The Spirit of God, and led by His Spirit.(That is what has took place of ‘the law’ now.) ... His command [ments] [ings] is through The Spirit of God now.... not our way, but His Way.
May God bless His Word into our hearts,
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Lovingly,
elizabeth

 2020/5/5 11:16Profile
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 Re: The Gospel

Dear Brother,
Looking back at what you said again:

Re:Deogloria,
“The Gospel is paramount, so this is the true reality check.
“If we don't get the Gospel right then nothing else really matters. Every other talk and discussion is unimportant.”

Re:you also said,
“The Bible and the Gospel go together.”
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Could you farther explain what you mean,... ? ...I would appreciate hearing your thoughts.


Re : Deogloria,
“But I might discuss the Bible in more detail in another thread.”
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I will look forward to that ,... The Lord bless .
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Re:you also said,
“May the Lord help us to come to a deeper understanding what it means "For God so loved the world..."
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I, very much would love to hear your thoughts on this too,...please share .


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elizabeth

 2020/5/6 12:40Profile
deogloria
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 Re:

Thank you both for replying.
David, as i mentioned I don't want to discuss the covenant here, it is best if you start your own thread if you want to do so.

Elibeth,
good questions and good points.
I agree the meaning of the word "Gospel" has been lost.
What is the Gospel?
There are many answers. John 3:16 or the "Easter message" might be the shortest definitions. I would say everything that Christ has accomplished on Calvary as written in the Word of God. But this is only a humbled summary.It is so glorious that we will not fully comprehend everything that Christ has accomplished in our lifetime. I will explain this a bit more shortly.

It is equally important to know Christ personally and not "only" His Work. Everyone would probably agree, but that is often not the case.
Charo Washer grew up in a church, thought she knew everything and was a missionary for 12 years before she realised that Christ was still missing in her life.
I think this is quite widespread, especially in our westernised churches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_VtvHMJpiU

John Piper has been teaching and preaching the Gospel from the Word of God for many,many years.
Now he has a important and powerful message for all of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3psJWtT68WE

So true! Paul wrote: "Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ..."
Everyday and in every new situation of our life we can discover new riches of what Christ has accomplished.

What Christ has accomplished must be based on His Word. Otherwise the enemy can lead us astray.
That's why "this old book is causing so much trouble", as someone in the above video explained
I have already started a thread "The Holy Scriptures".
You will also find it under "Scriptures and Doctrines"

"For God so loved the world..." that is the first part of John 3:16 What I was trying to say, may the Lord help us to get a deeper and deeper understanding for His love for us.

It is only a humbled attempt to try and answer some of your questions.
May the Lord's Spirit lead you into all truth.

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 Re:

/Thank you both for replying.
David, as i mentioned I don't want to discuss the covenant here, it is best if you start your own thread if you want to do so./

Well, I guess basically you made mention of something I said
that wasn't correct in your opinion and may have been unbiblical in your thinking as you implied it didn't refer to the gospel. So I explained it in the context of which I meant it and you say you don't want to talk about it. I think there is a better way of interacting.


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Re:Deogloria, you said,
“What is the Gospel?
“There are many answers. John 3:16 or the "Easter message" might be the shortest definitions.”
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If we read the complete chapter of Jn.3:16, we must emphasize, we cannot have a Jesus without every Word ( Light) that come out of His mouth.... in that The Light is manifested ,... made real to us.

And what is Light?... but the Word that shines forth into our hearts.

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Re:you also said:
“Feel free to add more Scripture references.”
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I am offering,I know, quite a few Scriptures for your consideriation.
They all pertain to, *the gospel as to what Jesus said,* the gospel is,... the * gospel of God, The *gospel of the kingdom,.. the *gospel of heaven..... how we are to LIVE, or have LIFE , under the king’ leadership.
.. He did not single out just one verse as men do , but The gospel is the whole Word of God that Jesus preached.,.. as the Words came from the mouth of His Father, God,.. through Jesus, ..He spoke *this gospel to us.

“He that *believeth on him is not condemned: but he that *believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not ***believed in *the name’ of the only begotten Son of God.
* but what is His Name that we are to believe in ?

[His Name is the same as His Father, God’ Name, .. Who is the whole Word of God.]... everything that , that Name stands for,.. all His righteous judgements, truth

19 And this is the condemnation, that *Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than *light, because their deeds (doings) were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth *the light, neither cometh to *the light, ....lest his deeds (doings)should be reproved.

21 But he that *doeth truth cometh to *the light, that his deeds (doings) may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Same message came through Disciples/Apostles to us.... they were sent forth to preach *the kingdom of God ,... things pertaining to the kingdom, and the principle’s of the kingdom.....
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“Matthew 4:23 (KJV)
“And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching *the *gospel of the kingdom,’
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Matthew 9:35 (KJV)
“ And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and ‘preaching *the gospel of the kingdom,’
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Matthew 13:19 (KJV)
“When any one ‘heareth *the word of the kingdom,’ and understandeth [it] not, then cometh the wicked [one], and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.”

*note *the word of the kingdom, is ‘the gospel’....is all the words that Jesus spoke to us.
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Matthew 24:14 (KJV)
“And *THIS’ ‘gospel of the kingdom’ shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
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( it is *THIS’ gospel of the kingdom, that Jesus emphasizes must be preached, and *then the end will be.)
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Mark 1:14-15 (KJV) 14
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching ‘the *gospel of the kingdom of God,” 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and *believe the gospel.”
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*believe ,...what (Jesus) is saying about the kingdom of God...(the gospel of the kingdom)
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*so Jesus sent his Disciples out into the whole world preach, *the kingdom of God...(*the gospel of the kingdom)
Luke 9:2 (KJV)
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Acts 1:2-3 (KJV)
2 “Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: 3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and ‘*speaking of the things pertaining to *the kingdom of God:
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*and Paul,
Acts 19:8 (KJV)
“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning *the kingdom of God.“
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Acts 20:25 (KJV)
Paul,...
“And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching *the kingdom of God,.....”
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Acts 28:23 (KJV)
“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into [his] lodging; to whom he expounded and testified *the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening.”
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Hebrews 12:28 (KJV)
“Wherefore we *receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:“
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[ grace: The Devine enffluence upon our hearts, and it’s reflection in the life.]
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The gospel of God,.. The gospel of Jesus,.. and all the Disciples/Apostles.....

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elizabeth

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 RE: grace: The Devine enffluence upon our hearts,

This makes it seem very impersonal and separated from us.
The truth is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit dwells, lives, and abides in us this very second.

We are now a NEW CREATION - born from above by the incorruptible WORD - JESUS CHRIST. We have been made one with God and are now SONS OF GOD! We are now partakers of HIS DIVINE NATURE.

Not just an effluence or force but we have HIS VERY ESSENCE of HIS PERSON within us now.


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 2020/5/8 7:47Profile
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 Re:

Vern, .. so happy you responded,.. and happy to respond to you.

Re:Vern you said,
RE: grace: “The Devine enffluence upon our hearts, “
“This makes it seem very impersonal and separated from us.”
... ...........
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No, ...not impersonal at at all, but even more personal.
Please let me try to explain,...
Yes, at one time it may have seemed impersonal, when His /this Grace first came to us...
So, let me see, how to walk us through this,...
* Before His Grace, came to us , yes we were not familiar w/it ,.. could it have seemed ‘impersonal’ at the very first,.. ? ...perhaps.

But, oh !, not now, not once it has taken hold and is part of our very being.... the Grace that saves, that helps, that is sufficient for us.

this gift from God, this Spirit,.. this Devine effluence came upon our heart, ...and its purpose is to draw us to God,.. Who is The Spirit,The Word,... His truth, His will, His Word,... to help us when we do not have the desire or strength on our own.. Grace, draws us to Him,.. His righteous Way.

We are hopeless,and helpless w/o His Grace.

* It lives inside,.. so I would say, it is very personable ,.. a part of us.

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elizabeth

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