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TakeUptheCross
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 Could it take long for a Christian to realise that something is sin?

Dear brothers and sisters,

is it possible for born again person to sin, without recognising it, and then after certain amount of time (years in some cases) to realise that what he has done, was wrong? Or is this "doctrine of devils"?

I was talking with a pastor on this issue and he said, that a born again person does not live habitually in sin. I do agree. And he said that if one sins, the Holy Spirit convicts the person of that sin and then the man/woman repents.

My understanding: in order to repent of something, you have to realise that it is a sin. But sometimes it seems to me that it takes a long time till one understands that certain behaviour is wrong. Pride, being easily offended... If we talk doctrinally about these things, we all know what is wrong and right, but when it comes to real life - is it not so, that sometimes it takes years till one realises that he has lived in pride, even religious pride. That's just one example, but I think it is not the only one.

And how this does not contradict with 1 John 3:9

"Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

I do not seek an excuse to live in sin. God forbid! I am just a witness to something which I cannot quite explain to myself except with what I stated earlier. "In your Light we shall see Light". Whether you receive the understanding that something is wrong in God's eyes, depends on your walk and communion with Him, right?

 2019/11/6 13:47Profile
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 Re: Could it take long for a Christian to realise that something is sin?

Early warning and recogninition may come early but total repentance with no turning back may be protracted in real life, which can be so frustrating to watch.

 2019/11/6 20:55Profile
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 Re: Could it take long for a Christian to realise that something is sin?

Yes I believe so and don’t the scriptures testify that this is so?
How long did it take the Lord to bring conviction to King David after his fall... wasn’t it quite a while ?
How long had Peter been intimidated by those from Jerusalem before Paul rebuked him?

It also becomes somewhat nuanced with things/situations such as found in Romans 14.

Additionally there are numerous verses in the new covenant thar instruct us to admonish, rebuke, turn, etc... other believers who erred and fell into sin- why would those verses be necessary otherwise?

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

How do we “obtain” mercy? And why is that necessary in order to “find grace” ?



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Fletcher

 2019/11/7 7:34Profile
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A brand new Christian maybe convicted about many things, but he may not understand all of them to be sin.

New Christians don't even know what questions to ask or what repentance is needed for a great majority of inward sins.

most all get it...no drinkin, cussin or lustin. But there is a lot more than that.

Truth is we are living testimonies to the depth of sin in the human heart and how patient Jesus is with us to purge us from such sins.

There is no one that sinneth not. Just when we think we are in the clear, Jesus takes us to another level of dependence in him, and the only way to get there is through another death to self, a repentance repeated again and again until the end of our journey has brought us to our deaths.

Looking at it this way...you will live a whole life that is going to undergo the exposing operation of the Word and the necessary repentance that is requisite upon a true follower.

Some will immediately complain Brother Marvin is a compromiser with sin and is making light of repentance. As I said the newer believer sees clearly the big stuff in the road he needs to repent of. But in repenting of all of that, he is still terribly ignorant of the sin-root system in his mind and heart.

Here's the rub...It's when the Spirit of God reveals to us these little roots, these foxes that sprout up. But we do not in our own selves have the spiritual eyes to see clearly what is in our hearts and where to begin in repentence.

Forced repentance because of condemnation and guilt does not lead to liberty, it just enslaves the Christian to sin-introspection taking their eyes off Jesus.


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Marvin

 2019/11/12 15:37Profile
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 Re: Brother Marvin

That is a very articulate and well seasoned thought on the subject that just so happens to be a shared one🙏🏻


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Fletcher

 2019/11/12 15:47Profile
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 Re: Could it take long for a Christian to realise that something is sin?

I think it depends on the nature of the sin.

As Marvin shared, new believers immediately know certain outward things are obviously sins that must be repented of and renounced.

When it comes to certain obvious outward sins, I don't believe it can take long for a Christian to realize they are sins needed to be repented of and forsaken. For example, a habitual fornicator who lives with his girlfriend cannot go on habitually fornicating after he is converted. God's Spirit will immediately convict him of that sin and he will repent and renounce it. Could he struggle with it at first and have lapses here and there. Yes, but he will be miserable when it happens and he will sincerely repent and seek deliverance from that sin as he does his part to forsake that sin.

The same would go for a habitual adulterer who habitually cheats on his wife. If he is born again he will not continue in that lifestyle. And so on and so forth when it comes to certain blatant sins. Otherwise, all the many scriptures that warn about fornicators, adulterers, etc. not inheriting God's kingdom become null and void, which is impossible.

But then there are other sins that are not that blatantly obvious to believers at first, which some would call "unknown" sins. When it comes to those kinds of sins, one may struggle with them for years before gaining the victory over them, and one may never even gain the full victory over them this side of heaven.

I think one example of this kind of sin is gluttony. Many believers go on being gluttonous throughout their whole Christian walk and die without ever overcoming that sin. Deep down they may know it's a sin but may refuse to see it as something worth worrying that much about for whatever reason.


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Oracio

 2019/11/13 22:03Profile
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Sometimes the example of David is brought up when discussing this topic. It is argued that David went on for a long time without fully realizing his sin until being confronted by Nathan. However, I think David’s example is not a good one to bring up because he lived under the Old Covenant when the Holy Spirit was not yet poured out in full measure as He's been poured out under the New Covenant. Under the Old Covenant God showed much more tolerance and patience than today. Back then men had multiple wives and God still used them mightily and approved of them. One would not be able to practice polygamy today and be approved of God. Just a thought.


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Oracio

 2019/11/14 16:03Profile
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At the risk of oversimplification, repentance for sin is not as important as a hatred for it. That is what has to be cultivated and developed. Jesus refused to sin because He hated it like His Father.


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Robert

 2019/11/16 6:21Profile
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 Re: Hatred for sin

When Paul hated his sin it did stop him from doing the things he hated.

Jesus Christ became sin.

Rom 6:6-7. "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. 

We are now free from sin.

Rom 6:22  But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 


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Vern

 2019/11/16 18:22Profile
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 Re: Could it take long for a Christian to realise that something is sin?

There are 2 kinds of sins. Conscious and unconscious sins. Conscious sins are those in which i know something is a sin but i still indulge in it. Bible is so clear that we do not need to be under the control of conscious sins. But as we repent from conscious sins, God will forgive our unconscious sins. We are all way behind Jesus. Every time we fall short of Jesus we are committing sin. But we can only repent of the sins we are aware of.

God is light and as we cleanse ourself of conscious sins and draw closer to him, God will reveal unconscious sins by bringing light upon them. Our whole life we need to keep purifying ourself in the hope of becoming like Jesus (1 john 3:3).

1 john 3:7 contradicts with 1 John 1:7 anyways. Only possible explanation to resolve the conflict is, 1 john 1 7 is about unconscious sins. That is why John says if we say we are without sin then we make him a liar.


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