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Hemel Hempstead

 Wrath of God! and redefining Sin in the Modern World.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Romans 2:5
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Romans 9:22
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

One thing I find interesting I dont think I have ever heard a sermon on the Wrath of God. With the sermons in the Great Awakening. Where they preached about Hell.

I so want to obey God and not be a children of disobedience! We live in a world where love answers everything.

There are definitions of Sin I have heard

1. Seperation
Where in the scripture does it say sin separates us from God, Sin is not separation.Find me a verse!

2. Sin is Selfishness
There is nowhere where it says that in the scriptures. It is not that selfishness is a sin

Sin is classed as rebellion against God! When is it churches are not going to please men.

Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Most people are more seeker sensitive than God sensitive, I wish I could obey God more in every single detail but I fail.

Greek words for sin

hamartia

174 hits ^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #266]^ From G264; sin (properly abstract): - offence, sin (-ful).
parapt?ma

23 hits ^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #3900]^ From G3895; a side slip (lapse or deviation), that is, (unintentional) error or (wilful) transgression: - fall, fault, offence, sin, trespass. (Galatians 6:1)
parabasis

7 hits ^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #3847]^ From G3845; violation: - breaking, transgression.
asebeia

6 hits ^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #763]^ From G765; impiety, that is, (by implication) wickedness: - ungodly (-liness). (Romans 1:18)
hamart?ma

4 hits ^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #265]^ From G264; a sin (properly concrete): - sin.

Hebrew

The Old Testament uses 6 different nouns and 3 verbs to describe sin:
râ?âh

This term is used more than 600 times and is most often translated as "evil" or "bad" (^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #7451]^). It carries the implication of something that is contrary to God's nature.
cha??â'âh

This term is used almost 300 times and is most often translated as "sin" or "offense" (^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #2403]^). It carries the implication of that which is deserving of punishment.
râshâ?

This term is used more than 250 times and is most often translated as "wicked" (^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #7563]^). It carries the implication of something that is morally wrong.
?âvôn

This term is used more than 200 times and is most often translated as "iniquity" ^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #5771]^). It carries the implication of being perverse, crooked or twisted.
pesha?

This term is used almost 100 times and is most often translated as "transgression" (^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #6588]^). It carries the implication of rebellion.
'âsham

This term is used more than 30 times and is most often translated as "guilty" (^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #816]^). It carries the implication of offense or trespass.
tâ?âh

50 hits ^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #8582]^ A primitive root; to vacillate, that is, reel or stray (literally or figuratively); also causatively of both: - (cause to) go astray, deceive, dissemble, (cause to, make to) err, pant, seduce, (make to) stagger, (cause to) wander, be out of the way.
pâsha?

41 hits ^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #6586]^ A primitive root (rather identical with H6585 through the idea of expansion); to break away (from just authority), that is, trespass, apostatize, quarrel: - offend, rebel, revolt, transgress (-ion, -or).
shâgâh

21 hits ^ [[Strong's](Strong's_Concordance)\ #7686]^ A primitive root; to stray (causatively mislead), usually (figuratively) to mistake, especially (morally) to transgress; by extension (through the idea of intoxication) to reel, (figuratively) be enraptured: - (cause to) go astray, deceive, err, be ravished, sin through ignorance, (let, make to) wander.
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Why the wrath of God is not the tribulation !

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

Because the wrath of God is due to our sin and nowhere in scripture does it synonymize wrath with tribulation.


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Dominic Shiells

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 Re: Wrath of God! and redefining Sin in the Modern World.

Quote:
1. Seperation
Where in the scripture does it say sin separates us from God, Sin is not separation.Find me a verse!



Hello Dominic, Thank you for sharing those verses with us however, the portion of your post that I have quoted above doesn't quite ring true. I have not heard anyone use the word "separation" as a definition of sin but certainly as a consequence of sin. If this where not so then why would there be a need for a ministry of reconciliation?

And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
(II Corinthians 5:18-21)

In Christ,


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Ron Halverson

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 Re:

“but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear.”
Isaiah 59:2


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Todd

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I am wrong ! I was more the meaning of the word sin!
914. badal
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/914.htm

This word is also used for separation in holiness in some forms.

Deuteronomy 32:22
For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

Hell is not free from God you are not separate from God in Hell. You are just in his eternal wrath.


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