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Joined: 2008/6/19
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Oh The tragedy of a Christian who can’t quit putting down the Pastor’s who are preaching on Sunday morning.

Oh The tragedy of a brother who is such a blessing but can’t stop sowing discord among the brethren who Pastor or attend a church building.

Oh The tragedy of a brother who wants all the church buildings to close down.

Oh the tragedy of this madness that never stops because a brother is possessed with a vandetta against others who don’t do it like he thinks it ought to be done.

Oh the tragedy that this will never stop....

Blessings to all...

 2018/5/2 21:25Profile

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 Re: Marvin

Nope Marvin, wasn't you, but we're getting warmer. :-)


 2018/5/2 22:00Profile

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 Re: rbanks

rbanks....that is probably "in my opinion" one of the top greatest post on SI since I've been a member. Thank You! and God Bless you for stepping up and telling the truth.


 2018/5/2 22:20Profile


Rbanks, I have no vendetta against anyone. Most of my best friends are pastors. My post was comparing the Sunday morning sevice with 1 Cor 14. Maybe instead of drama, do you have an opinion on 1 Cor 14 and the direction that God gave us or do you simply want to attack the messenger? Either way is fine, I wont respond any further to accusation it is unbecoming and simply designed to derail a perfectly legitimate question. God bless you Rbanks..........bro Frank

 2018/5/2 22:30

Joined: 2008/6/19
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Brother Bill I have read a lot of your post on SI over the years and you have blessed me with your sincerity and wit...

I was just thinking a little earlier that if I ever drove through Texas again that I would love to meet up with brother Bill... maybe have breakfast or something...because I believe I would really enjoy the fellowship.

You are a blessing brother and thank you for being on SI

 2018/5/2 22:31Profile

Joined: 2017/7/14
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Snoqualmie, WA


Brother Frank: I hope you read my post to Brother Bill, my questions were not framed to draw what you said into suspicion, but to let other try and extract from your own post the same answers I provided bill.

We are on the same page and I believe see the same things.

I don't believe you and I are on this discussion board verbalizing these issues for naught. I believe God is doing a work in the world and I believe we know in part and prophesy in part about such change.

I don't believe for a minute you are some naïve mole clawing away in the dark, there is a fuller more direct route to godly discipleship, teaching and body ministry that our current mode of assembly cannot fulfill. I believe the Spirit of God is directing us toward his will and purposes. May our hearts be ever acceptable to accomplish his will.

The realities of actual Holy Spirit ministry differ from our conceptions at the first. It's like when I train someone go out and street witness...the difference between what they thought it was going to be like and what it was like. Most are surprised to find out its far greater than they had ever hoped.


 2018/5/2 22:55Profile


Marvin writes.........

"The realities of actual Holy Spirit ministry differ from our conceptions at the first. It's like when I train someone go out and street witness...the difference between what they thought it was going to be like and what it was like. Most are surprised to find out its far greater than they had ever hoped."

I agree with that brother. Had a young American man one time when I was in my hometown of Greenock in Scotland. They put him with me because he was a " street minister." Come to find out he had been used to doing puppet shows and such with his youth-group for American kids in American suburbs. When we got on the streets in Greenock, he was literally terrified. He was a decent kid but had just never really talked to people who were anti Gospel and who spoke back. There was huge gulf between what he was doing in the States and what he was now doing in a hostile area, but the blessings of course are beyond what you could imagine. He was outside the box and God was using him..........bro Frank

 2018/5/2 23:36

Joined: 2011/4/19
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Southern CA

 Re: Testimony

Hello Brothers and Sisters,

I thought this would be a good opportunity to share a bit of testimony here about what took place Monday night at our Men’s group.

Our leadership team decided that we were going to have an “Afterglow” (time of waiting on the Lord, availing ourselves to Him in prayer, worship, and allowing 1 Corinthians 12-14 to be real among us.

Normally we have roughly 150-200 men in attendance on Monday Nights. We just completed a 10 week concentrated course through the Conquer Series, which specifically addresses the subject of lust and pornography among men. ( I am sure there are other studies out there for women, but this is after all a “Men’s Group”).

As we got started, I couldn’t help but think about this forum, and Frank’s heart and was wishing you could have been there brother Frank, I really believe you would have loved it!

Here is how it went down:

The Men’s Pastor, one of the Elder’s and I met at 5:45 to discuss the evening and pray.

At 6:30 we went into a room with all of our group leaders (about 16 men) and continued in prayer for the evening asking God to move. While this was taking places, various men arrived early and moved chairs into a circle around the room, it’s quite a large room and could seat roughly 200.

At 7:00 the pre-prayer ended and we joined everyone gathered in the main room, there were about 100 men in attendance, all seated in a circle around this very large room. Normally we have potluck style food for the men, but we had no food this night and encouraged the men to fast for the evening.

Our Men’s pastor opened in prayer and began discussing what the night would be about. He talked about the importance of waiting on the Lord, letting Jesus be the Head of the meeting, and encouraged the men to be open to the gifts of the Spirit. He also emphasized heavily that we were there to hear from the Lord, and not man, and that it wasn’t a time for someone to give a long Bible study that they had rehearsed or prepared.

Afterwards, he invited me up where he was, as so I could share something on my heart, which I had brought up in an earlier meeting.

I began with 1 Thessalonians 5:19 and reminded the men “Do not quench the Spirit”. I told them that there were two ways we could quench the Spirit as we were gathered. 1) We could quench the Spirit by self-promotion and parading ourselves and drawing attention to ourselves, and 2) We could quench the Spirit by remaining silent when God is prompting us to contribute and speak or be involved with the meeting. I encouraged the men that they are “not spectators” and that Jesus wanted to manifest Himself in and through each of us, and to pray, be poised and ready to be used by the Lord.

So, the meeting began with my exhortation, which I would say was a word of prophecy because in 1 Corinthians is says “he that speaks prophecy speaks edification, exhortation and comfort to the hearers”.

Following this we had two songs of musical worship while men praised the Lord in song.

After this, one of the Elders was moved to ask the men if anyone wanted to be prayed for to receive the Baptism of the Spirit. Men came forward, were anointed with oil and prayed over by this Elder, and several leading men around him.

While this was going on, I stood up and read from Ephesians 19 about the difference between the Baptism of repentance and the Baptism of the Spirit, and briefly explained what was taking place. About 10 men came forward for this.
Following this, there were several spontaneous scriptures read, thanksgivings and praises.

After this, there were several words of knowledge given regarding specific situations men were in, and I will do my best to remember them:

1)One was regarding unforgiveness in men, who could not move forward, and needed to repent, and be prayed for (several men responded to this)

2)One was regarding anger and bitterness towards God, more men responded and were prayed for, confessing

3)One was a word that told men that they were to act on the prayer that was in their heart for someone in the room, and many men stood up, walked over to someone, knelt down and prayed something specific that God had placed on their hearts.

After this someone was moved to ask the men if anyone had a testimony of victory over sin as a result of the Conquer series, and three men shared what God had done in their lives and it was powerful – all were edified and Jesus was magnified.

This whole process took about two hours, and it felt like the blink of an eye.

We sensed the things were drawing to conclusion, so we had a final song, stood to our feet and ended.

Here are some thoughts and takeaways from this meeting.

• This happened. It really happened! In a large church (over 2000 people) in a Men’s group on a Monday night with over 100 men present, seated in nice chairs, in an air-conditioned building (praise God!) 
• Many gifts were exercised, but not all. That’s okay.
• Pastors and Elders were present leading, shepherding and ensuring the meeting was according to Scripture, but they were not the focus.
• I had the thought “I love this, and wish we could do this more” but I never had the thought, “I wish this was the new normal every Sunday morning”. I think these types of meetings happen and occur, perhaps we just don’t know about them because people aren’t chronicling them as I have done here.
• I believe the early church operated like this because gatherings were small and conducive for this, but now we have several thousand people in our congregation, so this would not be feasible in one large gathering. That’s why we gather collectively Sunday and share a facility that can hold us, and then we scatter in small groups throughout the week in homes and try and “be small, together”.
• I wish it could have gone longer, and I felt a small inclination to almost force something to happen because I didn’t want it to end, but the Lord showed me that was me, and not Him. “The Spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet.”
• I was hoping for something really dramatic, like a man being raised from a wheelchair, or mighty rushing wind, but the Lord was present, Jesus was magnified and it was extremely edifying. Isn’t that enough? It must be. There is a temptation to always “out do” each meeting, which present another problem because we want that high, that emotion, that feeling and that experience like we had “that one time”. Jesus is enough. He is greater than my need for an experience. His presence is the experience. His purposes and plans are far greater and wiser than my own.
• We will do this again, we typically do as a men’s group at the conclusion of each study/session and also at our Annual retreat. It’s always different, always precious, always impactful.

I hope this testimony encouraged someone!

All my love in the Lord Jesus,

Brother Kevin

 2018/5/3 11:38Profile

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Wonderful testimony brother Kevin!

 2018/5/3 11:54Profile

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Really really good Kevin-

I was wondering when you sang the worship songs how that got started- did someone have a guitar- was that part organized or did someone just start singing?


 2018/5/3 12:08Profile

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