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Joined: 2017/7/14
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Snoqualmie, WA

 Seeking God

In reading so many sermons and articles on Revival and the Churches need for it, the one unanimous conclusion is reached.

God is not among us. Those who are born of God are indwelt by God, but God may not be among us.

I suppose the real missing element ( if you can call him that) is the presence of the Lord.

Without this divine presence of God, every single point of our Christian life is deficient. Everything from our evangelism to our preaching to our doctrines to our way of life, all is deficient, all is lacking.

If I may ask what is Revival for? Is it for salvation? Is it for repentance? Is it for a return to right living? Is it a return to consecration and holiness?

To me, it seems all these things are what happens when God returns to us with his divine presence.
In his presence there is joy and life and repentance and faith and gifts and giving and love and holiness and truth

I believe the answer is not in seeking for any of the above, it is seeking God himself; and being found of him the Church overall is cleansed and purified and corrected.
Sinners find their Savior, God adds to his Church, God increases his own fear among his people. Faith hope and love migrate from Sunday school lessons to an internal understanding that God will work those things in us and through us.

What is the stumbling block? To me...

We believe the presence of God we have now and the life we live now are acceptable and sufficient to warrant no intercessory prayer, no fasting, no seeking God diligently. Just believe that we are ok...and those 'other' people need revival.


 2018/3/28 22:56Profile

Joined: 2007/2/15
Posts: 198
NSW Australia

 Re: Seeking God

I like your post Marvin,

He must increase, but we must decrease. He that comes from above is above all.

Blessings Steve


 2018/3/29 0:34Profile

 Re: Seeking God

I agree with you Marvin. you ask......

"What is the stumbling block?" We are. The Lord is to be found in simplicity, but we are too sophisticated for that. We want to be the means of Him coming so that we can claim the glory. The Lord shares His glory with no one. The phrase that comes to mind is " all is vanity." I have seen vainglorious men, I have been one for much of my walk with the Lord. It stinks. It is most often times wrapped up in virtue which is like a dead skunk being sprayed by a live skunk, it only adds to the smell. The sad thing is that it is not conducted by bad men but partially sighted men. They create certain standards for so called revival, principals if you like, that way they can lay claim to it if it were ever to happen, it will not, not under those circumstances.

One day, somewhere obscure, some young woman will stand up and spontaneously begin to sing and praise the Lord and His Spirit will fall like Niagara. One day an unknown man will stand up and cry out how much he loves Jesus and the heavens will rend and a great deluge will fall and God will be glorified in the midst of it all. And when it is all over, men will write about it and tell you they were there, as if their presence somehow precipitated the event. And God will recede and men will build their ministries and reputations and there will be nothing new under the sun.......bro Frank

 2018/3/29 11:41

Joined: 2017/7/14
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Snoqualmie, WA


Brothers: consider this with me.

Hosea 10:11
Ephraim is a well-trained calf
that loves to thresh,
but I will place a yoke on her fine neck.
I will harness Ephraim;
Judah will plow;
Jacob will do the final plowing.

Sow righteousness for yourselves
and reap faithful love;
break up your unplowed ground.
It is time to seek the Lord
until He comes and sends righteousness
on you like the rain.

I see this as a picture of God bringing men to a place where God has yoked them and in so doing God causes the very thing he requires.
He yokes them to begin a spiritual plowing upon their own hearts, afterwards they may sow righteousness, When He yokes us to his guiding hands, we plow our own fields so that in breaking up our hardened hearts the Lord will send righteousness upon us...we will be fruitful and a blessing in the world.

What I also see as a corollary is that we do not naturally yoke our selves, nor do we plow our own fields on our own, God himself puts the yoke upon us that with his guidance we are directed to break up fallow ground.

Is there any like kind scripture that resembles this kind of plowing and breaking up? I can think of one.

Daniel 9:3 So I turned my attention to the Lord God to seek Him by prayer and petitions, with fasting, sackcloth, and ashes.

4 I prayed to the Lord my God and confessed:

Ah, Lord—the great and awe-inspiring God who keeps His gracious covenant with those who love Him and keep His commands— 5 we have sinned, done wrong, acted wickedly, rebelled, and turned away from Your commands and ordinances. 6 We have not listened to Your servants the prophets, who spoke in Your name to our kings, leaders, fathers, and all the people of the land.

7 Lord, righteousness belongs to You, but this day public shame belongs to us: the men of Judah, the residents of Jerusalem, and all Israel—those who are near and those who are far, in all the countries where You have dispersed them because of the disloyalty they have shown toward You. 8 Lord, public shame belongs to us, our kings, our leaders, and our fathers, because we have sinned against You. 9 Compassion and forgiveness belong to the Lord our God, though we have rebelled against Him 10 and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God by following His instructions that He set before us through His servants the prophets.

11 All Israel has broken Your law and turned away, refusing to obey You. The promised curse[a] written in the law of Moses, the servant of God, has been poured out on us because we have sinned against Him. 12 He has carried out His words that He spoke against us and against our rulers[b] by bringing on us so great a disaster that nothing like what has been done to Jerusalem has ever been done under all of heaven. 13 Just as it is written in the law of Moses, all this disaster has come on us, yet we have not appeased the Lord our God by turning from our iniquities and paying attention to Your truth. 14 So the Lord kept the disaster in mind and brought it on us, for the Lord our God is righteous in all He has done. But we have not obeyed Him.

15 Now, Lord our God, who brought Your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand and made Your name renowned as it is this day, we have sinned, we have acted wickedly. 16 Lord, in keeping with all Your righteous acts, may Your anger and wrath turn away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; for because of our sins and the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people have become an object of ridicule to all those around us.

17 Therefore, our God, hear the prayer and the petitions of Your servant. Show Your favor to Your desolate sanctuary for the Lord’s sake. 18 Listen,[c] my God, and hear. Open Your eyes and see our desolations and the city called by Your name. For we are not presenting our petitions before You based on our righteous acts, but based on Your abundant compassion. 19 Lord, hear! Lord, forgive! Lord, listen and act! My God, for Your own sake, do not delay, because Your city and Your people are called by Your name.

I see in Daniels prayer the yoke being placed upon Daniel and his intercessions started...In seeking the Lord.


 2018/3/29 16:00Profile


Desperate hunger for nothing more than the Living God is what the Lord seems to reward. When He is sought after by all of the heart with a desperate urgency.........bro Frank

 2018/3/30 0:16

Joined: 2009/4/5
Posts: 2007
Joplin, Missouri

 Re: Seeking God

Amen Marvin. Totally agreed. The things we so often think of as salvation are only the natural result of God in the life of a saved man. It is about restoration of relationship and presence in the life of the believer. Blessing to read what you wrote.


 2018/4/5 15:53Profile

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