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Joined: 2002/12/11 Posts: 39795 Canada
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"Soooo...Greg! You did a post and run here!
Now, can you please tell us the purpose of posting this.
What position do you take regarding this?
We'd like to know."
Brethren,
We are living in dark times and the light has gone out just as in the dark ages of the past. The worship of God has been lost and we are worshipping a god of our own imagination. When services are created for quick convience of obliation to God it is really not a sacrifice but a setup for our own entertainment and benifit.
The worship of God is that, the worship of the very God it does not matter how much we feel about it.
We see pictures of godly worship in Heaven in Revelation 5 and Isaiah 6, the Church has always seen these as a way we should worship on earth now. Sadly the departure from this faith and belief of the Church has resulted in thousands of new experiments on how to worship God outside the scriptures and with man in the view.
We need to get back to services where when one walks in the awe of God and fear of the Lord is in their heart. They should be struck by the other-worldness of our belief and worship. Jesus Christ must be the central figure who is worshipped.
Towards homosexuality it is clear this is a grievous sin in scripture and there is no allowance for it in Christian practice and life. The faith once delivered to the saints has not changed those who practice homosexuality will not enter the kingdom of God.
The modern "discussion" about acceptance is already shown many are deparing from "the faith" already. Scriptures and the belief of the Church for 2000 years on the issue is clear.
_________________ SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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2017/7/20 9:37 | Profile |
JFW Member
Joined: 2011/10/21 Posts: 2009 Dothan, Alabama
| Re: | | Brother Greg wrote; "We are living in dark times and the light has gone out just as in the dark ages of the past. The worship of God has been lost and we are worshipping a god of our own imagination. When services are created for quick convience of obliation to God it is really not a sacrifice but a setup for our own entertainment and benefit."
Yes dear brother this is also my observation/experience... and not only in worship but often a "God of our imagination" is preached in place of the one true God, our resurrected King. It's like people can't handle the "God of the Bible" so they make one up and since theirs has no real power they stick a "Jesus sticker" on it to fool people.... which (for me) parallels the EDM issue, it's as if people believe that you can take something of the world, not born of God, stick a Jesus sticker on it- call it sanctified and imagine God is somehow pleased 😳 It's the delusional days in which we walk. Let those who intercede not grow weary but continue to hold fast to the truth~ _________________ Fletcher
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2017/7/20 9:51 | Profile |
Heydave Member
Joined: 2008/4/12 Posts: 1306 Hampshire, UK
| Re: | | Yes Greg, you are correct. What is sad is that even on this forum (a website for revival!) there are three recent threads where these things are endorsed, Homosexuality accepted, profane worldly worship encouraged and a denying of the bible as the word of God.
What times we do live in. "Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour". _________________ Dave
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2017/7/20 10:09 | Profile |
MrBillPro Member
Joined: 2005/2/24 Posts: 3422 Texas
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Dave....What is sad is that even on this forum (a website for revival!) there are three recent threads where these things are endorsed, Homosexuality accepted, profane worldly worship encouraged and a denying of the bible as the word of God.
Dave you are correct! but remember our struggle is NOT against flesh and blood, if there are folks here that accept/endorse Homosexuality, IMO they're allowing the devil to work through them, this is a spiritual battle. You don't argue/debate with these folks, you fight spiritual battles through prayer, it's the only way! _________________ Bill
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2017/7/20 11:01 | Profile |
bejkuy Member
Joined: 2017/1/10 Posts: 9 Woodburn, OR
| Re: | | Hi Brothers and Sisters, I'm new to the forum and don't know if I'm posting this right, but I thought I'd chime in on this topic.
While working construction a few years back, I developed a friendship with a young man. He was a great worker, but had a lot of issues. He was living with his girlfriend, hooked on porn, hooked on prescription drugs, and a number of other issues common to sinners. He was agnostic, but always willing to hear me out when I witnessed to him. His lust habit started to get out of hand and his girlfriend threatened to leave him if he didn't talk to the "religious nut" (me) at work. To make a long story short, he surrendered his life to the Lord (we used a bundle of lumber as a makeshift altar) after work one day. He really repented and the glory of God fell on him in a special way. On his way home from work (he told me this the next day) he took out the punk-rock CD and broke it. He told me that the music troubled his spirit. This was a guy who had been in a punk-rock band and the whole bit. When my friend surrendered his life to the Lord he surrendered everything. He became soft and pliable. He looked into Christian punk, but said it just "didn't feel right." I agree that we shouldn't "enshrine" a particular style of music. But, sometimes there is spirit behind types of music. I don't know much about the EDM, but there is a "chaos" inherent in punk rock. God is not the author of chaos and confusion. In my understanding, trying to airbrush good words on a worldly song is a bad way to go. Also, when a man has truly cast off the old man, he's not looking to bring his old ways into the church. He wants something different. When my friend was saved, he expected everything in his life to change- and it did! God bless you. _________________ BJ
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2017/7/20 14:05 | Profile |
MrBillPro Member
Joined: 2005/2/24 Posts: 3422 Texas
| Re: | | Brother BJ, you described the kind of folk God is looking for, and can use the greatest in my opinion. Of course he can use anyone, even the unsaved and the not churched, and maybe even some of us filthy rags. :-) I mean when I read when he says his ways and thoughts are not as ours, he's unlimited to who and what he will use, and what he can do, right? That should get some stone faced Christians looking down their noses at me. :-) _________________ Bill
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2017/7/20 14:23 | Profile |
bejkuy Member
Joined: 2017/1/10 Posts: 9 Woodburn, OR
| Re: | | Yes sir! He ended up leading another worker on the jobsite to the Lord within a couple of months. He ended up being way more i outspoken for the Lord than I ever was on that homebuild. _________________ BJ
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2017/7/20 15:48 | Profile |
TMK Member
Joined: 2012/2/8 Posts: 6650 NC, USA
| Re: | | Good thoughts BJ.
You wrote: "In my understanding, trying to airbrush good words on a worldly song is a bad way to go."
I think you meant "worldly melody" or "tune".
The only problem is where to draw the line. For example, I like Michael w Smith's "worship" and "worship again" albums. But if you stop and think, the melodies to songs like "Forever" and "open the eyes of my heart" could easily be melodies to a pop song you might hear on top 40 radio. Arguably Smith (or whoever wrote them) used pop type melodies for those worship songs.
Now, I agree that when it comes to things like heavy metal or punk or EDM things do get dicier because of the nature of the beat.
We all know music can affect emotions. Classical music can be very stirring. Erik Satie's Gymnopedie #1 is beautifully melancholic. Some EDM can be very uplifting- there is even a genre called "uplifting trance."
What if an artist wanted to create a soaring anthem to the glory of the Creator using an EDM format? I just can't 100% condemn that possibility.
_________________ Todd
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2017/7/20 15:51 | Profile |
bejkuy Member
Joined: 2017/1/10 Posts: 9 Woodburn, OR
| Re: | | Good point TMK.
It is dangerous to make a "law." Better to trust the Spirit's discernment on a case by case basis. I do know that it is never a good idea to try to appeal to the flesh, under the guise of reaching the lost. Flesh gives birth to more flesh-no matter how you dress it up! That kind of thing drove me crazy back in my years as a youth minister!
God help us to be wise as serpents, innocent as doves.
_________________ BJ
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2017/7/20 16:06 | Profile |
TMK Member
Joined: 2012/2/8 Posts: 6650 NC, USA
| Re: | | I certainly agree, and like i said earlier my wife and I just made the very hard decision to leave a church with people we loved because of this "fleshly appeal" under the guise of getting people into the doors, both via very loud club style music (at least the 1st song) and via worldly marketing methods. But, because people are coming through the doors and people are getting saved and baptized, I won't bad mouth the church because ultimately it was a matter of taste. But for us it was getting to the point where we were being critical of the church (but not publicly). It's hard to worship when something is grinding your craw. _________________ Todd
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2017/7/20 17:06 | Profile |