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savannah
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 Re: skirting the issue



Michael,

Have you ever walked around Louisiana in a skirt?


If not, is it because you don't look very good in a skirt?
Or is it maybe just your preference to wear pants?

 2017/6/21 13:54Profile
Lordoitagain
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Sree,

Your concerns about kissing being a temptation to people who have been addicted to sodomy is a result of your deeply rooted Western “sexual orientation” indoctrination.

There were people in the church at Corinth who had been “effeminate and abusers of themselves with mankind” but had been washed, sanctified, and justified. To the same Corinthians he said: “it is good for a man not to touch a woman”. He never said “it is good for a man not to touch a man”. To the contrary he said to the same Corinthians: “Greet one another with a holy kiss”.

Our Western false “sexual orientation” indoctrination teaches us that some are “gay” (homo) and some are “straight” (hetero). We gain from that indoctrination the idea that some are born wired up to get sexually motivated by the same sex. NOBODY was born that way! Like any sin, those who fall in the trap become slaves to that sin. Like any addiction slavery, those who are delivered from the addiction of sodomy are set free! When temptation comes it is resisted and the free man continues free.

Contrary to the scenario that you presented of a kiss causing a freed same-sex slave to be tempted, those who have been enslaved to sodomy find healing much faster when they are exposed to wholesome holy man to man physical affection. They are made aware that THIS IS HOLY and the other was unholy. You can go online and read “Beyond the Shades of Gray” and find where Dean Baily (delivered from sodomy) fully explains that issue. Because of his Western indoctrination, it took him 20 years to come to that realization. Christianity in our culture needs to understand these realities and get back to Biblical healing affection.


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Michael Strickland

 2017/6/21 13:55Profile
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Savannah,

What's your point? The Bible never admonishes a man to wear a skirt.

God created male and female. He says in Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.” He carries this concept over in the New testament in I Corinthians 6: 9-10 where he explains that the effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of God. It is my belief that men shouldn’t wear skirts, nor should women wear pants. Many say that my beliefs need to be more culturally relative.

God never recognized this “third sex” that our society invented called “homosexual”. If you’re trying to infer that we should not obey the scripture nor follow its examples because it would appear to belong to this third sex that we have invented (that doesn’t exist – there are only 2), you are honoring our culture’s indoctrination above the Word of God.

Canada just passed a law permitting bestiality. If bestiality becomes fully legalized, legitimized and popularized, will Christians quit petting animals, or only do it in private when nobody is looking? Petting animals is not admonished in scripture. Everything in scripture is there for a divine reason which transcends culture.


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Michael Strickland

 2017/6/21 14:13Profile
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Michael you seem to be arguing that not kissing guys causes homosexuality.

I agree that if you watch old tv shows and movies guys seem more physical with each other to some degree. I often note how close they sit to each other. I think it is entirely possible this was due to close quarters during war time service. When you spend 24/7 with other guys with all bodily functions in full view a little physical contact is no big deal.

In the 60s men and boys swam nude together in YMCA pools. In fact suits were not allowed. It skeeves me out but then it was no big deal.


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Todd

 2017/6/21 15:14Profile
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Quote: "What's your point? The Bible never admonishes a man to wear a skirt. "

No but every man did, and there are admonitions to "gird your loins" which means to get your skirt out of the way so you can run or fight. How can we gird up our jeans? If we take the command to gird your loins literally, then we must first wear long skirts in order to do so.

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/10/02/how-to-gird-up-your-loins-an-illustrated-guide/


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Todd

 2017/6/21 15:22Profile
Sree
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Your concerns about kissing being a temptation to people who have been addicted to sodomy is a result of your deeply rooted Western “sexual orientation” indoctrination.



I do not believe that homosexual orientation is a born trait. Homosexual behavior is developed due to perversion (Romans 1). Let God alone be true and every man a liar.

Now whether you blame western indoctrination or the corruption in society, the practice for a man to man kissing is no longer an innocent practice. There is nothing holy in it at least in western perspective. Bible commands us to keep our conduct excellent among unbelievers (1 Peter 2). Hence if an act is considered sexual in the society then it is better to avoid it for the sake of preserving our honor. At any case God's name should not be dishonored.

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Contrary to the scenario that you presented of a kiss causing a freed same-sex slave to be tempted, those who have been enslaved to sodomy find healing much faster when they are exposed to wholesome holy man to man physical affection.



Even if what you said is true, which I highly doubt. It is still subjective and cannot be generalized. Let us hear what the Bible says in this matter. 2 Tim 2:22 says, to run away from all forms of youthful lust. Hence if any man is tempted by physical contact with another man, let him run away from it.

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To the same Corinthians he said: “it is good for a man not to touch a woman”. He never said “it is good for a man not to touch a man”. To the contrary he said to the same Corinthians: “Greet one another with a holy kiss”.




1 Cor 7, is written in the context of marriage. Since marriage is always between man and women in Biblical context, it is told not to touch a women.




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Sreeram

 2017/6/21 15:26Profile
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Now whether you blame western indoctrination or the corruption in society, the practice for a man to man kissing is no longer an innocent practice. There is nothing holy in it at least in western perspective.





Romans 16:16 - Salute one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
1Corinthians 16:20 - All the brothers greet you. Greet you one another with a holy kiss.
2Corinthians 13:12 - Greet one another with a holy kiss.
1Thesalonians 5:26 - Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss.
1Peter 5:14 - Greet you one another with a kiss of love. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.


Four times, He calls it holy. Let God be true and every man a liar.


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Michael Strickland

 2017/6/21 15:45Profile
Sree
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Four times, He calls it holy. Let God be true and every man a liar.




No one is denying what the Bible says about it. If this practice has a perverted meaning then for the sake of honor our Lord's name, there is nothing wrong in not practicing it.

If we take the Bible literal, then we should start stoning our rebellious children, wash the feet of our fellow brothers etc. Why are we selective in those areas?

Also a man should not live with his parents in the same house, the moment he is married to another women. That command is mentioned more times in the Bible as well. All those who live with their parents (after marriage) in the intention of taking care of them at their old age are disobedient to this word then.

It is the spirit of the command that is important. Not the letter. The letter kills, but spirit gives life.


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Sreeram

 2017/6/21 17:23Profile
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No but every man did, and there are admonitions to "gird your loins" which means to get your skirt out of the way so you can run or fight. How can we gird up our jeans? If we take the command to gird your loins literally, then we must first wear long skirts in order to do so.



TMK,
It would help if you would use actual Biblical references. There is a scripture that tells us to gird up the loins of our minds. I don’t know where the admonition that you refer to came from.


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Michael Strickland

 2017/6/21 18:47Profile
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If we take the Bible literal, then we should start stoning our rebellious children, wash the feet of our fellow brothers etc. Why are we selective in those areas?

Also a man should not live with his parents in the same house, the moment he is married to another women. That command is mentioned more times in the Bible as well. All those who live with their parents (after marriage) in the intention of taking care of them at their old age are disobedient to this word then.




Sree,

Several of the things that you mention are a part of the Old Testament law that was specifically for the nation of Israel. When Jesus died on the cross, He fulfilled the Old Testament and only the things that are confirmed in the New Testament are practiced by the gentile Church. That’s why the epistles are so important. They outline the practical application that the gentile church is to follow.

By the way many Christians still wash feet. I've done it many times.


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