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Online! | | Re: K. P. Yohanan - Lawsuit | | Brother,
There have been many allegations made and some practices of how Gospel for Asia handled money were not clear or done in a way that could have broken standard rules. This is in no way dis-qualifying. They lost ECFA status in America and as far as I know they have been working to re-gain the status and correct any errors or procedures they have done wrong.
There have been alot of personal slander and attacking of KP Yohannan and this is all over-exaggerated. Of course hindu news agencies are having a hay-day to try and demonize him even stating in one that there is a arrest warrant out for him and he will be in jail in america. This is a lie and not true at all.
Also bloggers in the West such as warren throckmorton enjoy trying to accuse and find any accusation they can to build a case. I do not see the biblical model of love, helping but rather only tearing down and accusing of which satan is the "accuser of the brethren".
The use of monies to start colleges that are biblically based under their church movement is also not disqualifying neither the hospital they built. In the end all denominations or large church movements will have their own schools, hospitals, clinics, seminaries and many other buildings. So it is strange to demand that gospel for asia only fund missionaries to share with tracts only.
Without doubt the gospel for asia movement in India has brought millions to know Jesus who have never heard and they have had some of the most signifigant fruit amongst unreached peoples in north india.
SermonIndex and myself stand with them in prayer and support and believe God will allow their best days to be ahead.
Lastly, we did make a public statement a few months ago here about this:
An Announcement in regards to Gospel For Asia / K. P. Yohannan
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=58446&forum=16
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| | Re: | | So it doesn't matter how you play the game, so long as you win (souls)? The apostle Paul was emphatic about running a straight race, even saying he would be disqualified (a castaway or an abortive) if he didn't do things God's way.
The banner says "H.E. (His Eminence) the most Rev. Dr. K. P. Yohannan." How contrary to Jesus' statement "for I am meek and lowly of heart" or His encouragement to take the lowest seat when bidden to a feast.
But there are a number of preachers whose sermons are touted on this website who lived (or presently live) double lives, amassing much wealth for themselves and "lording it over the Lord's heritage" instead of being servant of all. Shall I name names? I left a famous church that fits the bill. You would be heartbroken if you knew what I know, and saw what I've seen. |
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Online! | | Re: | | Quote:
But there are a number of preachers whose sermons are touted on this website who lived (or presently live) double lives, amassing much wealth for themselves and "lording it over the Lord's heritage" instead of being servant of all. Shall I name names? I left a famous church that fits the bill. You would be heartbroken if you knew what I know, and saw what I've seen.
Dear brother,
Perhaps this is part of the problem also that we are prone in our human natures (the flesh) to judge and mis-trust and not at times understand that we will all stand before God to be judged for our portions. I try and choose at times a simplier way for being in ministry yet I have met some men who have many comforts of the world being full-time workers for God. I do not judge them.
James 4:11-12 New International Version (NIV)
11 Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister[a] or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?
It is my conviction that the Apostles were esteemed greatly in the new testament church, it would make modern evangelicals in north america uncomfortable. In the last 20 years there has been a downgrade where pastors are now just "buddies" like one of us, most of them do not wear suits or vestments (of which was normal in ALL protestant churches). The pastor is now said to be just like everyone else which denies scripture as the epistles to Timothy speak of requirements above for leaders in the Church. It is no wonder that so many scandals now are happening as modern pastors are partaking of all the sins and compromising activities their congregations are doing, as the pastors at times are not giving a higher standard or way to follow, as Paul the Apostle said to follow him as he followed Christ.
The title Rev. was used universally for ministers of most denominations until recently.
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| | Re: | | RE : ///Perhaps this is part of the problem also that we are prone in our human natures (the flesh) to judge and mis-trust...///
We are not called into blind trust of religious leaders, the New Testament over and over warns against that.
RE : /// The title Rev. was used universally for ministers of most denominations until recently.///
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
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| | Re: | | This further clarifies the problem with institutionalized Christianity. The old line of "Just because it is in church history or the early church did it...it must be right." Is tiring and a bondage to true believers... only Christ can reveal to a soul how this world wide institution keeps believers as babies on the milk.
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| | Re: | | Greg, I don't believe you would ever bill yourself as "his eminence" here on Sermon Index or elsewhere (not even on Father's Day!). |
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DEADn
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| | Re: | | Greg
What is your interest in K P Yohanan that you would be defending him as you are?
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Online! | | Re: | | Quote:
What is your interest in K P Yohanan that you would be defending him as you are?
Dear brother,
He is a genuine brother in the Lord. We should pray for and stand with those who we love in the Lord and are co-labourers in the gospel.
I made this statement above that I believe explains. Trust that helps.
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Brother,
There have been many allegations made and some practices of how Gospel for Asia handled money were not clear or done in a way that could have broken standard rules. This is in no way dis-qualifying. They lost ECFA status in America and as far as I know they have been working to re-gain the status and correct any errors or procedures they have done wrong.
There have been alot of personal slander and attacking of KP Yohannan and this is all over-exaggerated. Of course hindu news agencies are having a hay-day to try and demonize him even stating in one that there is a arrest warrant out for him and he will be in jail in america. This is a lie and not true at all.
Also bloggers in the West such as warren throckmorton enjoy trying to accuse and find any accusation they can to build a case. I do not see the biblical model of love, helping but rather only tearing down and accusing of which satan is the "accuser of the brethren".
The use of monies to start colleges that are biblically based under their church movement is also not disqualifying neither the hospital they built. In the end all denominations or large church movements will have their own schools, hospitals, clinics, seminaries and many other buildings. So it is strange to demand that gospel for asia only fund missionaries to share with tracts only.
Without doubt the gospel for asia movement in India has brought millions to know Jesus who have never heard and they have had some of the most signifigant fruit amongst unreached peoples in north india.
SermonIndex and myself stand with them in prayer and support and believe God will allow their best days to be ahead.
Lastly, we did make a public statement a few months ago here about this:
An Announcement in regards to Gospel For Asia / K. P. Yohannan
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=58446&forum=16
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| | Re: | | Your interest is that he is a brother in Lord............. does it not bother you about the turmoil going on with the GFA and then things he is 'making' people do that is really not the will of God?
Your words read to me as someone who is in denial of what is going on with KP and instead you are taking on the 60's vibe of peace, love , and happiness. It makes me stand back and 'say what?'
Do you have ties to KP other than calling him a brother in the Lord?
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