32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Eph. 4.

21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Eph. 5.

forrests,

As you can see, we are instructed to submit to one another in love. Much of the misogynistic writings omit this verse and say that the woman is to submit to the man and it is often meant in a bullying way. The replies on this thread are in response to one such article.

Your theory that it is women who have been hurt by men, who call out the misogynism in the church does not stand for the men who also agree and bemoan it and are ashamed of it.

And those who do have an even harder time of it when the misogynists prepare for battle.

Naming it and shaming it, is something that is grossly neglected.

It is not fruitful to discuss the matter on this forum so that is my last reply on the subject. Peace to you.

21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is head of the wife, just as Christ is the head of the church, His body, of which He is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her 26to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless.

To be fair ,,, many will see the context of submition,that paul speaks about is acutauly refuring to the wives towrds there husbands, thats is whay he clarifies that in the verry next verse ,, but husbans ,are to be ready and willing to die for there wife as christ died for , us ,,,,, christ was not in submition to the church , and neither should a husband be to his wife , but christ was to god as we are to christ ...

Thats the clear order that paul presents in his letters as well as peter ....

We can take a verse out of context brothers and sister to suit our feelings can we , should we do that .?. No

Thank you Forrest and Gary for shining light on that which was trying to hide in the dark.

May God's blessing and peace be upon you.

I don't agree with your interpretation..

Both are to submit to each other, but wives as to the Lord and husbands as to the weaker vessel. There is a difference.

I have to agree, I have seen it in practice in very godly homes with strong spiritual husbands (and in mine). The more spiritual the husband the greater is the care and love for the wife.

Gary, Savannah are you guys married? Have you never given deference/submitted to your wife as the weaker vessel in anything?

I must add that l think it is much harder to submit to a weaker vessel than to the Lord. It surely serves greatly in the sanctification of the male spirit in it's desire for control and dominance which the Lord informed us of after the fall.

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What do you mean submit to her as the weaker vessel.

Why would i do that ,the bible doeasnt say that ..


Iv only been married about ten years ,to a verry head strong red headed woman , and i dont bow down to her ,in the way i bow down to the Comandments of god , I submit to that ..

If my wife want to do somthing that goes against scripture ,i let her know what the bible says ,and i dont give my blessing ,or shrink back , or go along with it ...........

Or whatever it is that i feel is not going to be good for me or her ,i let her no that i strongly disagree , and give all the resons why ,and dont give my blessings ,if she goes and does it , she knows i dont condone it or go along with it so when it fails i dont give her sympathy .

She recpects that about me , that im not a crawler , or timid ,and stand my ground with her , she is like that as well with everyone , shes a red head so to speak , so she can relate ,,

Im sorry for you julius ,if you feel you have to bow down and submit to your wife ,,,you do her know favours acting like a jelly fish , you know ...

She calls me her rock ,i say to her dont call me that jesus is our rock , shes only a baby christian at best .....but god brought us together ,our marriage is befor god ,she know how i fell about jesus and the word of god ,and she allways has .., im forty shes seven years older then me , shes a tough woman , and we bring it ut the best in each other .... Well most of the time ...

I don't know how the scriptures can make it clearer:

I think that the meaning includes the command to recognise that women are affected and damaged by the male desire for power and rule, and therefore they come to the marriage damaged in a way that men are not. They have been made aware right from being small that they do not count as much as males and many of them will have had plenty of unwanted sexual attention especially if they have the misfortune to be attractive. Women need a time of healing which a mans love will give them.