Rev,neil, bill,

Why not e-mail one another with your personal conversation, rather than adding more posts to this thread that have nought to do with the subject!

If you're that concerned for unbelievers not witnessing love between Christians then why have you posted what you have to the public eye!

Julius

Thank you, I think that you are right and that the thread was intended to provoke me. Sorry that you had to bear the brunt of it but thank you again.

I wrote earlier, and again without any comment from the detractors, that Kelly the preacher in the link in the OP, demonstrated his own attitude very clearly when he spoke about Sarah's sin in choosing Hagar to bear a child in the fruitless marriage, when he said that if it had been him, he would have *yelled* at Sarah 'I can't believe what just came out of your mouth but it must never come out of your mouth again. Don't you EVER say anything like that again, *how stupid are you, shut your mouth and go back to your canning pickles'.* This was followed by chuckles by the men in the congregation.

It is the most shocking and most disrespectful thing thing I have ever heard from a preacher. I knew that misogyny was in the church, as it has always been, but this made me see just how bad it is.

The subject under discussion ie the fall has everything to do with what is meant by ruling women in the church.

I hope that this discussion has encouraged the brethren to look more closely at the scriptures and not just to take for granted what has been taught by men about them.

here me clearly, don't even dare tell me what to post.

unlike many here, who post strong words, while "hiding" behind a cyber mask, hiding at the other end of a fiber optic cable....BELIEVE ME when I tell I would no compunction to be up in your face, mano a mano, telling you EXACTLY, what I wrote above.

none.

I listened to ALL of what Reg Kelly had to say, and have no desire to post, what I think or my opinion or how I lense it all thru the Holy Ghost, because we will all one day, stand alone before the Judgment Seat, and be held accountable by a Holy God. all of us.

I can read, I can see the accusations hurled about like cow pies, and all I have to say is.....have fun. Of course said "fun" being had at another's expense, but again, that's just a whole new ball of wax under the Lord's purvey.

I have learned one thing thru the years, "independent Fundamental" Baptist churches, assemblies, etc, hold little attraction for me, and feel free to accuse and label me, as "rebellious" or whatever hard brittle religious adjectives you wanna hurl my way, as I regard such as mere words, lacking any anointing or power, my only query is what is REALLY behind your cyber mask?...and its sad to me we come to such dialogue, which is why I posted prior, that the more and more I read here, the less and less I desire to post her.....the field is yours, enjoy.
heartbroken, neil

I feel your pain and grief, and beloved sister, you have not be the only one to suffer under such fleshling tyrant's....I found these "boards" one day, took a few to read them to discern the "story", and then was just laid out in grief.

(warning, it aint pretty)

http://bgbcsurvivors.blogspot.com/

the bgbc church itself, still chugging along

http://www.beavertongracebible.org/

this the new "survivors" website, headed of course by what are termed "women in rebellion"
https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/

or should I even bring up the terrible witness of the "quiver full" movement and the Duggars family "story"?

here's the google hits, you'll notice that many of those hostile to our Dear Messiah Jesus just love when ungodly trainwrecks like the Duggars are shown into the light of the secular press....but you know what my beloved sister, when this truly ugliness is exposed?.....my Love and Passion for our Beloved Messiah Jesus only grows stronger....STRONGER!! How I love Him so!!....amen?

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&safe=off&q=quiverfull+movement+duggars

we have NO ONE but Jesus! and the Blood that cleanses from all sin....Sister Brenda, me and the Lord "cut" this compilation for my then 9 year old son, to let him KNOW who he is IN Christ....I send it to you now, in the hope you just listen prayerfully , and be encouraged in the Name of Jesus....its entitled "A Kingdom of Priests", God love you ever so richly sister, in Jesus's love, your brother neil

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=12043