Hath God said,"Men Rule?"

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Oh, get over your misogenysm!

Men ruling over women was part of the curse.

Jesus lifted the curse for those in Christ.

Men are to submit to their wives as wives submit to their husbands.

What's up with this kind of thread? are we Christians, or Barbarians? Threads like these make the devil happy with all the strife they bring. :-(

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Bill

Men ruling over women or women ruling over men. Both are out of order. The Holy Spirit is supposed to rule in the life of the Husband and the wife. They mutually submit to the Spirit of Christ in each other. Be careful that you are not doing Satan's work. Eve was innocently through her ignorance deceived, but Adam was willful disobedience.


"Henceforth it is also war by Satan upon the womanhood of the world, in malignant revenge for the verdict of the garden. Yes, war by the trampling down of women in all lands where the deceiver reigns. And war upon women in Christian lands too, by the continuance of his Eden method of misinterpreting the WORD OF GOD: insinuating into men's minds throughout all succeeding ages that God pronounced a "curse" upon the woman, when in truth she was pardoned and blessed; and instigating fallen men to personally carry out this supposed curse, though in truth it was a CURSE UPON THE DECEIVER and not upon the deceived one (Gen. 3:14).

"I will put enmity between thee and the woman," said God, as well as between "thy seed and her seed," and this vindictive enmity of the hierarchy of evil toward women, and especially believers, has not lessened in its intensity from that day."

War on the Saints - Jessie Penn-Lewis




"The order of God’s dealing with Adam and Eve and the serpent is worthy of notice. First, He spoke to Adam: "The LORD God called to the man, and said unto him, Where art thou?" Second, He called to the woman: "The LORD God said unto the woman, What is this thou hast done?" Third, He turned to the serpent as the first cause of sin, and declared, "Cursed art thou." This interrogating order was reversed when God pronounced judgment upon them. First the judgment was upon the serpent, who was cursed as the first cause, and the first in order; then God turned to the woman, and although she had been deceived, she was told she could not escape the consequent suffering; and lastly the man was told, "With the sweat of thy brow shalt thou eat bread." The order in which God addresses the three—first the man, then the woman, then the serpent—and the reversal of it in the pronouncement of judgment—first the serpent, then the woman, then the man—is very remarkable and suggestive.

It is equally remarkable to notice that because the woman was deceived by Satan, and was not a willful transgressor, she was chosen as the means of his defeat. Paul points out in his first letter to Timothy that Adam's transgression was willful, that is, fully knowing he was doing wrong, and that there would be resulting consequences; he was not therefore chosen for the undoing of the serpent's work, but was given the part of toiling at the cursed ground for material sustenance. The woman, who had been deceived innocently, was chosen to produce the promised Seed which would bring about the absolute defeat of Satan.
In this we may learn the lesson that God will turn the very devices the enemy uses against His children into weapons for his defeat. Willful transgression brings the judgment of God upon it, even though the transgressor is
forgiven; but every single thing in which Satan may have deceived you, as an innocent victim of his wiles, can become the very cause of his defeat. May God give you that comfort through this glimpse into the fall in Eden—especially
those of God's children who have been deceived by "supernatural manifestations" which they afterwards found were not of God, and who have fallen into depression, darkness and despair.

Eve was innocently deceived by the serpent, and then in His grace God promised that through her would come the very defeat of the one who had deceived her. Yes, God can turn the very devices of the enemy into a weapon of victory over him."

Conquest of Canaan, Jessie Penn-Lewis

The headship of the husband over the wife is not misogyny. Men having godly headship over their wives and a leadership role in the church is the word and will of the Lord. This is a serious matter with spiritual and eternal implications as the below passage indicates:

"Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything."
~ Ephesians 5:22-24

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~ Forrest

It is not often I will quit listening to a sermon before the speaker finishes, but I did this one.

The speaker declares that you will not find one female priest, one prophet, one female disciple, one female bishop, etc in the WORD. He also declares that Deborah's reign was as a result of a nation gone apostate.

It is true there is not one priest in the OT; nor one prophet and that is because a female prophet is not called a prophet but a prophetess! And they existed in the OT and NT.

It is also true that most of the judges that 'ruled' Israel rose in response to a nation gone apostate. It should also be noted Deborah did not seek authority but it was given to her.

Nowhere does one find any criticism of Deborah in the WORD. Not one. No one came and told her she was "out of line". Nor does the text suggest it.

In Jesus' inner circle there were no females, but he certainly had female disciples...true, none led congregations but they functioned as helpers and took responsibility. To give them authority they were to wear the sign on their head that they are under authority just as the men were by having an uncovered head. All people are under authority and must submit to it. Jesus warned his disciples against ruling as lords over the flock. Ruling as lords contrasts sharply with servant leadership.

When I read of someone who will be critical of a Bible character - something he/she did, they way it was done or not done and the WORD is silent about it, I will no longer listen to him because if God did not rebuke this person via of a prophet or Himself, who are we to judge? Sounds arrogant to me.

Yes, I know there are people who are very aggressive in faulting Bible characters when the LORD does not even do this - wearies me. This is why I refused to listen to the end of this audio - have heard this being done before.

(Many years ago I read a famous author's writings' who was critical of Moses for delegating authority based on advice given by his father-in-law. God NEVER rebuked Moses for doing so. The audacity of moderns to fault Moses...maybe they need to teach God a few things..???)

This is my thoughts on what I heard on this audio.

Sandra

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Sandra Miller

The definition of misogynism is;

a hatred of or hostility toward women.

Brenda, why is it that you immediately resort to name-calling?

A hatred of men may be the cause of your reaction, as well as your condition!

Have you listened to the message?

Savannah,

I would not even imply that about a sister, especially one you don't know in 3-D. C'mon, you know how it feels to be wrongly characterized. There are guys on here that have done much more than imply things about you and u so you know how it feels. Please don't go down this road with Brenda or any sister for that matter.

Julius21,

You are not Clarke Kent, and Brenda is not Lois Lane!

Stop trying to play superhero, and stop fighting with carnal weapons.

Pray,meditate,wait and then proceed to post!