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but equal sorrow has come from tue words of condemnation I have seen here. He is still our brother. He now, more than ever, needs our prayers. God is not done with him. His ministry may fall apart and I'm okay with that, if that is the Lords will, but I am not okay from us turning our backs on him because his sin has been exposed. Now is the time for prayer for both of these men.



Fully agree with you brother that we must be in prayer over this entire situation something does not seem right how she said these things and made it public. Franklin Graham or another leader brother could have been counselling before anything would have gone public in this manner. May God have mercy on both of them and also may this not continue to shame the Name of Christ in anyway.


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The biblical response when there is unrepentant sin in the camp is church discipline/excommunication (1 Cor. 5) until the person repents (2Cor. 2:3-11). Also, when there is someone in leadership who practices serious sin they are disqualified from leadership until they are fully restored.

The reason why many churches are very weak and compromised is because they do not exercise church discipline but rather try to sweep all kinds of blatant sins under the rug. There have been tragic incidents of Calvary Chapel pastors getting caught in serious sins. I know of one Calvary Chapel leader who is still allowed to teach after having divorced his wife with no biblical grounds and married another woman a few months later. Stories like that are sadly too common place these days. All in the name of grace. God's Word is clear that His grace does not give a license to sin. Yes, there is forgiveness available through God's grace, buy there must be genuine repentance, not justifying or trying to cover up sin.


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Brethren has anyone read the Franklin Graham post yesterday? I would copy and paste it here but I do not know how to do that. Brother Franklin has said that many of the things being reported by the media are not true regarding Saeed. He has spoken into the lives of both Saeed and Nagmeh. He has been one instrumental and praying in bringing about the release of our brother Saeed. I have no doubt that Franklin Graham has far more understanding in this situation than we in this forum do. Is this forum prepared to challenge the credibility of Franklin Graham?

I remind this forum again Brother Saeed has suffered for his faith in Christ. Who in this forum has spent 3 1/2 years in sn Iranian prison hell hole undergoing the tortures that Saeed did?

From the things I have read in the sources I use to track the persecuted church. Saeed was beaten to within an inch of his life. Those who torture are taught to beat prisoners to where they lose consciousness. Then the prisoner is revived and beaten sgain. These constant beatings have resulted in internal injuries where Saeed may require surgery. Saeed was also tasered. This result being pain in his heart.

In addition to the physical tortures there are the psychological and spiritual tortures. The brother was required to watch Sunni Muslims being hung for their faith. Iran is Shia Muslim. Thus they have a hatred for Sunni Muslims. So the prisoners would be paraded out to the courtyard. There they were forced to watch the hanging of political and religious prisoners. Those who were abiut yo be hung would cry. Many would wet themselves I can only imagine the scars that this will leave on our brother.

Also there was a constant danger of ISIS threats against his life while in prison. Plus the fact that he was beaten by other prisoners.
It was recorded to his parents that he woke up one morning with a knife at his throat. The person who had the knife at his throat wanted to steal his toiletries.

Add to this fact the Iranian authorities consistently tried to get him to deny his faith in Christ. The psychological and spiritual torture that came from this one can only imagine.

I share this. Because I wonder in the hell that Saeed went through. How? And I asked how? Can one say that his mind was set on pornography? It would seem the brother would be more concerned trying to stay alive. And keep his faith constant in Christ.

Perhaps in American prisons access to pornography is available. But in the worst prison in Iran where Saeed was imprisoned. I have to wonder how the brother could have access to pornography???

Also the verses in 1st Peter 4:1 tell us that he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin. Is anybody in this forum prepared to say the Saeed has not suffered in the flesh?

It has been asked why is Saeed being silent in these allegations? Some would say that this is an admission of guilt. But remember Jesus was silent in the face of his accusers. I remember reading a devotion which addressed this matter. That is the silence of Jesus in the face of his accusers. The author of the devotional said Jesus was silent because he was not the one on trial.

But as I said in a previous post. Even if these allegations are true. And only God knows. Who in this forum? I ask again who in this forum? Is prepared to cast a stone of judgement against Saeed and say that they are without sin?

I ask my brothers. Have you ever been tempted by pornography? Have you ever been tempted by sexual sin? I doubt very seriously that you can answer in the negative. I have had struggles with pornography and sexual sin. It was a brother in this forum who directed me to a Bible course that set me free from this.

I only share this to say that I do not have the right the cast judgement at Saeed. Even if these allegations are true. And right now I am prone to go with our brother Franklin Graham and say that they are not. But even if I am proved wrong. I do not have the right the cast a stone of judgement against my brother.

Those at the Church of Wells may say they are without sin. But I challenge anybody in this forum to say that they have never sinned in the areas of pornography and sexual sin. Again let he that is without sin cast the first stone.

Brethren I had hoped this issue would not come up in the forum. As one sister said. This brother is being thrown under the bus. I feel compelled the stand by our brother. For this brother has suffered for his faith in Christ. I believe what is happening is a continual attack by the enemy the silence this brother. What the devil could not do on Iran. He is seeking to destroy our brother in America.

My plea again is we lift this family up in prayer. I'm not lift him up and judgment.

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The Idaho Statesman newspaper reports today that Pastor Saeed pled guilty to misdemeanor domestic assault in 2007, was sentenced to 90 days in jail, which was suspended upon a one (or was it two?) year probation.

This is a historical fact. Now, I know from experience that a guilty plea in such cases is often entered when there is fault on both sides that aggravated a tense situation, and a man will take a plea just to get the matter over with. I also know such pleas are entered other times when a man knows he is guilty and just wants to get the matter over with. These are things we do not know.

Not every man who strikes his wife is a monster because of it; rather, it is the raging monster common in each of us named "old man" or sinful nature that controls a man to do what he would not do if he walked then in the Spirit. As a man who has walked in other ways in the flesh over the course of my Christian life, I understand the truth of that. As a man who longs to be redeemed from this body of death by the appearing of Christ, I am appalled by my own self. My thought, at least my hope, is that Saeed, who has suffered in the body, is appalled at himself and is done with sin.

Nagmeh, too.


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Oracio:
I agree that when a brother has decided that having a sexual relationship with this step-mother is acceptable he needs to be ex-communicated. Such sin should not be allowed in the church.

Paul also says in Gal 6:1
Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.

How do you reconcile the two?

Well, how was this man brought to repentance so that in 2 Cor Paul said, "Let him come back"? Is is possible that a brother walked beside him, prayed for him, and restored him back to Christ?

Much of what has been stated here about these men has been condemnation without grace. There is a difference. Also, I can understand that the issues with GFA needed to be told to make people aware that the ministry may not be trustworty, but who are we edifying by talking of Pastor Saeed and his wife? Is that not all gossip? Unless we are being told "please pray for this brother," there is no need for us to know his sin.

There is a different issue that has been touched on briefly by someone: we should not glorify men. All glory belongs to Christ, and He alone we should follow. No matter how great of a work a man has seemed to do, it is to Christ's glory. The reason we get so upset when people we admire fall is because we put them on a pedestal, which may be why God has to knock them down- for our benefit as well as theirs.


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As per Blaine's request here is Franklin Grahams facebook post:

I was one of millions of people around the world praying for the release of Saeed Abedini, the American pastor imprisoned in Iran for his Christian faith. It was an honor to finally be able to meet him last week. This young man has spent 3 ½ years of his life in jail for his faith, where he was beaten and tortured.
While we rejoice at his new freedom, we now lift him and his wife Naghmeh to the Lord for healing in their marriage. Other than God, no one knows the details and the truth of what has happened between Saeed and Naghmeh except them. There’s an old saying that there are at least two sides to every story. I can tell one thing for sure—not everything that has been reported in the media is true.
As a minister of the Gospel, I have tried to be a friend to both and to assist them in getting Saeed home and in getting access to any help that they may need. Clearly, there is a great need for prayer for their relationship and their family. God has answered prayer by bringing about Saeed’s release from prison, and now, Satan would like nothing more than to continue to destroy their lives. It is my prayer that this will not happen.

from: https://goo.gl/icZRn6


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romanchog are you Roman Catholic?


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Oratio what is the relevance of the sister's church background when she pleads for grace regarding Saeed. I have been urging the same thing in this forum. I am not a Roman Catholic.

Believing where sin increased but grace abounded all the more. That is simply being a follower of Jesus.

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I would urge all to read the post by Franklin Graham that Greg posted. Much wisdom in our brother Franklin Graham. And Franklin Graham is not a Roman Catholic :)

Blaine

 2016/1/29 10:01
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bearmaster by your post it sounds like you are for ecumenism. I asked that question because I think I read a few years ago here that she is part of the RCC, and I cannot receive biblical advice from one who is part of the RCC. I thinks it's only right that believers are aware when there is someone from the RCC engaging in dialogue here.


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