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twayneb
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Very true docs. There are so many things I don't know and don't understand. I feel like that list gets longer every day. One day we will know. That will be cool to say the least.


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Christopher: It is interesting that when a person places his faith in God and believes in the veracity of the word, He will come to a much better understanding of the world in which we live. Most of the great scientists of the past, Newton, et. al., believed in the word of God and based on that belief, sought to explore a very ordered world that followed God's predetermined laws and rules.

Yet God is the creator of those rules, and as such can transcend them. Miracles. if you will for us, but for God it is just who He is.


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 Re: Uniformitarianism versus Catastrophism

These films on Genesis and the Biblical view/fact of creation we men are watching together at church sure are interesting and well made and they cover a lot of ground in a clear concise and not overly long manner. We watched the segment on Noah's flood and it brought a lot to light I have never considered before. The secular scientific view of the world and its evolving to what we find today is based on Uniformitarianism meaning the earth has evolved in a somewhat consistent and uniform manner over a long length of time. Secular scientists propose that the Grand Canyon came about because of a long process of erosion and was carved out by the Colorado River over a span of about 17 million years. The erosion took place supposedly in a long and consistent uniform manner. Not much changed as this went on. Then there is the view which is more biblical that the Grand Canyon and similar places may have been caused in a relatively short time by a catastrophe of epic proportions. Noah's flood fits the bill for this.It didn't just rain during Noah's day but the waters above and below and the fountains of the earth were opened and the flood wasn't just a somewhat gentle rising of waters as we sometimes think of floods. It was a major and powerful catastrophe that couild have rendered major changes in the landscape in a relatively short period of time. Take a water hose and turn it on full blast and spray it against a mound of dirt. This is similar to the power of Noah's flood. The flood of Noah's day was a raging uncontrollable torrent that could have carved out the Grand Canyon in a few days.

Scientists found out a lot when Mount St. Helens erupted. 230 square miles of trees were flattened in a afternoon and this catastrophe altered the landscape in a day or two versus similar landscapes that are said by scientists to have had to occur over millions of years. Mount St. Helenes did so in a afternoon. Two years after the inital eruption another explosion occured and a major mud slide occurred that carved out a canyon 1/40th the size of the Grand Canyon in two days. So it's not necessarily a definite reality that the Grand Canyon evolved slowly over 17 million years to what it is today. Not the rest of the earth. Rock layers and layers of strata defintely could have been moved and settled onto one another in a short time during a major catastrophe. The Grand Canyon could have been carved out by the torrential water of the Genesis flood in a day or two. The fact that opnce swimming sea fossils have been found at the top of the Himalaya mountains can be seen as evidence of the swirling and moving power of the Genesis flood. Everything was in violent upheaval. There is a good biblical reason for why so many species disappeared suddenly and seemingly without warning.

In II Peter 2:4-5 Peter makes metnion of the flood and treats it a very real occurence and not a fable.

4 - For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell nad committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;

5 - and did not spare the ancient world, but preserevd Noah, a preacher of righteousness with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;

The world flood in verse 5 has as part of its its basic meaning the root idea of a cataclysm. So Peter believed in Catastrophism. We know Jesus mentioned Noah. Trying to sum up, the film presents the biblical view that Christians should believe more perhaps in a Catastrophism view than the view of Uniformitarianism that says the earth's present conditions came about because of a long slow uniform process. Mount St. Helens proves these changes can occur very quickly and rapidly under the right circumstances.

In our discussion after the film on the flood a interesting point surfaced. Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible and if the prophecies he made under divine inspiration concerning the future came true and we believe them then why can't we believe his writings of what came before him? If his prophecies regarding the future are soemthing we believe in then whay can't his looking back account of creation be believed? And it was Moses who wrote of the flood. If we believe in Moses going forward then why not belie him as he wrote baclkwards of things that came before him?

I hope I haven't been overly long or too technical. These films have been better than I thought they would be and the discussions afterward have been fascinating. I just wanted to share a little. So what if you are a Christian and believe in Catastrophism versus evolutionary Uniformitarianism? There's nothing wrong with you at all.

Blessings.


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