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murrcolr Member
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| Catholic Sermons on SI | | I haven't posted onto SermonIndex for a while but I have been using the site to download sermons, that is where I noticed a Catholic on this site.
His name is Walid Shoebat.. his sermons are Islam prophecy and the bible.
What about the bible well Walid says - Make No Mistake About It, The Catholic Church Has The Correct Bible, And The Protestants Have The Wrong Bible.
What about prophecy - Walid says: The Virgin of Guadalupe Is NOT Satanic It Actually Proves Christianity And Shows That Mary Will Crush Islam In The End.
Mary will crush Islam.
Walid Shoebat's demonizing of Protestants and evangelicals in particular while exalting Catholicism as the noble preservers of Christendom in a article called “Them ‘Damned’ Catholics”
Walid's - modus operandi is to employ misrepresentations and specious arguments while ignoring that evangelicals are the most conservative, pro-Israel, anti-Islam Christian group in the West. Yet Shoebat's target is evangelicals, and resorts to invoking liberal Protestants in attacking them for things Catholicism herself examples, while he offers no documentation for his imbalanced view of history. _________________ Colin Murray
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2016/1/7 3:21 | Profile |
savannah Member
Joined: 2008/10/30 Posts: 2265
| Re: Catholic Sermons on SI | | Such blasphemy ought to be removed from SI immediately. Roman Catholicism and those who partake of her are guilty. Such ought to take heed to His Word in 1 Cor. 10:21 -
Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of demons: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of demons.
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2016/1/7 6:23 | Profile |
sermonindex Moderator
Joined: 2002/12/11 Posts: 39795 Canada
Online! | Re: | | Quote:
His name is Walid Shoebat.. his sermons are Islam prophecy and the bible.
What about the bible well Walid says - Make No Mistake About It, The Catholic Church Has The Correct Bible, And The Protestants Have The Wrong Bible.
I am currently reviewing this. I know many evangelicals including myself who have resourced his website on Islam especially. It appears actually from my first reading of an article that he is defending the "Catholic" faith meaning Orthodox, but he might just be defending both Orthodox and Roman Catholic as a whole opposed to protestant belief.
I would like to clarify also that the title is very mis-leading in this thread, the sermons are 4 sermons on the subject of Islam and to my knowledge Walid was a baptist when he presented these. _________________ SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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2016/1/7 7:01 | Profile |
| Re: | | I came across the ministry of Wahid Shoebat about a year ago. I thought him to be solid as I listened to his messages on Islam. But later as I looked at his website became concerned about his emphasis on Catholicism. But there are other things in his ministry that raise questions. For one thing he's advocating the use of arms against Muslims. On his website he has called for the raising of an armed Christian militia to go and do another crusade against the Muslims. I guess his idea of a Christian jihad.
Also there are questions about his background. He claims to be a born again terrorist. But questions arise as to whether this is true.
I would urge caution regarding the ministry of Wahid Shoebat.
My observations.
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2016/1/7 7:39 | |
murrcolr Member
Joined: 2007/4/25 Posts: 1839 Scotland, UK
| Re: | | Quote: Such blasphemy ought to be removed from SI immediately.
I am not saying that is what he says in the sermons on Sermon index.
However what I am saying is that his idea of prophecy and the bible stems from Catholicism.
For example when Walid say the bible he means the Septuagint. So when he it comes understanding prophecy he will be using the Septuagint as a reference.
Edersheim explains that the Septuagint was not divided as the original Hebrew Bible. The Original Testament is divided into the law, prophets and writings. Instead, the Septuagint was divided into 3 different compartments called the historical, prophetical, and poetical.
Edersheim explains that the Septuagint also had a loose view of inspiration because it even admitted the Apocrypha into this Greek Bible. Edersheim then begins to identify quality issues, pointing out that that "it differs in almost innumerable instances from our own". _________________ Colin Murray
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2016/1/7 7:42 | Profile |
murrcolr Member
Joined: 2007/4/25 Posts: 1839 Scotland, UK
| Re: | | Quote: I would like to clarify also that the title is very mis-leading in this thread.
Sorry about that I don't want to come across a misleading; i am just concerned that in some way you validate the Shoebat's "ministry".
Quote: For one thing he's advocating the use of arms against Muslims.
His son takes it to the next level
Quote: A new crusade must be declared against Islam, and Christendom must arise to stab to death the crescent with the sword of the Holy Cross.
Stab to death - these very words make my blood run cold...
Quote: I would urge caution regarding the ministry of Wahid Shoebat.
I agree with you 100% _________________ Colin Murray
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2016/1/7 8:27 | Profile |
| Re: | | We should severely distance ourselves from anyone naming the name of Christ and advocating carnal weapons and the slaughter of people. This would make SI look like a supporter of Crusaders. Catholic church and history is demonic. When did Shoebat convert to Catholicism and has anyone challenged him?
Many in Evangelical circles today are being pulled into the use of carnal weapons because of fear of losing their lives (and their way of life, lifestyle).
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2016/1/7 9:21 | |
murrcolr Member
Joined: 2007/4/25 Posts: 1839 Scotland, UK
| Re: | | I posted on website and challenged his doctrine.
I was met by a torrent of abuse from other posters and called names by Walid Shoebat (childish) but not the type of behaviour one would expect from a "Christian"
But as it says "By their fruits you will recognize them"
_________________ Colin Murray
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2016/1/7 10:56 | Profile |
sermonindex Moderator
Joined: 2002/12/11 Posts: 39795 Canada
Online! | Re: | | Saints,
After reading quite a few articles and reviewing his websites, we have removed the messages. There seems to be an extremism in everything that is written for attention and shock and awe. Some of these materials do not just borderline indecent but are morally not good for believers to view and read.
Also I fully agree that when a drum is being beaten for physical force and retaliation of any kind from a Christian this is not right. We praise God that he was delivered from the false belief of Islam but may God preserve him from other extremes in Christianity and hold fast to the Head alone, Jesus Christ. _________________ SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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2016/1/7 11:07 | Profile |
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I posted on website and challenged his doctrine.
I was met by a torrent of abuse from other posters and called names by Walid Shoebat (childish) but not the type of behaviour one would expect from a "Christian"
But as it says "By their fruits you will recognize them"
Good to know you challenged them. Definitely not the type of behavior one would expect from a Believer. Very revealing and very much a "bully" mentality.
The Lord stood up to the bullies and even though they crucified Him, He forgave them. We must do the same and just hope and pray they will come around, and repent of loving their false doctrine more than the Lord and His people.
1 John 4:5-6 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
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by sermonindex on 2016/1/7 11:07:35
Saints,
After reading quite a few articles and reviewing his websites, we have removed the messages. There seems to be an extremism in everything that is written for attention and shock and awe. Some of these materials do not just borderline indecent but are morally not good for believers to view and read.
Also I fully agree that when a drum is being beaten for physical force and retaliation of any kind from a Christian this is not right. We praise God that he was delivered from the false belief of Islam but may God preserve him from other extremes in Christianity and hold fast to the Head alone, Jesus Christ.
Good move, Greg.
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