Great quote rev. Brother Wilkersons scriptual and accurate
Holy Spirit filled comments regarding Israel certainly resonates with those in whom the Holy Spirit dwells.

I posted : The Liberation of Zion by David Wilkerson
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=15610&commentView=itemComments

I meant to Post :

The Presevation of Zion by David Wilkerson
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=4532&commentView=itemComments

David Wilkerson did clearly believe "The Israel of God" is the Christian Church and not natural Israel.

That was my only point.

I want to say something fairly simple. I am pro Israel. They undoubtedly have a role to play in end times and God has supernaturally has His hand upon this nation for His own purposes.

I am not a premillenial dispensationalist. I went to a Bible school who taught this but I simply do not believe this lines up with Scripture. Even the school I went to was a four point Calvinist school, I wonder if that makes them lesser Calvinists? :) I am not a Calvinist. All these names of men and theological stances are nauseating to me. I have met wonderful men and woman of God on all sides of all of these topics. I refuse to call them names or think less of them if, for instance, they believe in a pre-trib rapture. I refuse to waste any time trying to change their minds. If I witness in my spirit that a man or woman knows Jesus then that is good enough for me.

I do not believe in two separate groups of people, I believe in One God, One Spirit, one Body. I was fortunate enough to be grafted in and be a part of the mystery that was revealed to Paul. Every man woman and child on the planet needs to be born again, including Jewish people. If you disagree with anything I have just said, God bless you. .........bro Frank

to semantically play games with a poster moniker?

this:

I am writing this post NOT because my BROTHER (and he IS my brother) wrote that he is "pro-Israel", but I wish to publically testify as to how, WE, as the Body of Christ become One...Echad.

Even though some 900 miles of PHYSICAL distance separate us, when we fellowship via the phone, quite frequently, it is as NO distance separates us in spirit, and heart and love. We both know the most intimate details of each others lives, and his pains and his triumphs are mine, and mine are his.

even though I don't read poetry, when he reads me poetry he wrote in the Holy Spirit, it thrills my soul, or when he tells me about his wee ones, my heart delights. and mind you, my dear brothers and sisters, I write this post , not to "tickle Frank's ears", but to testify to the supernatural Grace and Love God has for me, that ONLY thru the Holy Spirit, though we come not from the same mother, it is a reality IN Messiah Jesus, we ARE brothers, who dearly agape each other.

in all our years of brotherhood, not ONE cross word or thought has ever happened between us. I would sooner have God strike me DEAD, then to utter one bad word to my precious and treasured brother, because I esteem him way more than I do myself, and I don't write that to "idolize" the man, God forbid and BANISH that thought!

I just wanted to testify, to what I regard as a high and holy fire forged bonding as brothers for all eternity, and that two souls who love Jesus so much, should be joined as true brothers, just sweeps my heart away with reverential Awe at the Tender Love God shows for us, as we go thru the journey of life in these jar of clay we all inhabit.

My only hurt, selfish hurt is that my brother Frank (and Brian) don't live in the "Driftless region" of Wisconsin, where the "wood" is so dry, just waiting to for God to come down and set the saints on fire for Jesus. Oh yes, in this beautiful area, in a 75 mile radius there are DOZENS of churches, dozens of "denominations", but NOT ONE of them has a prayer meeting! as one of my fathers in the faith, dear brother Len Ravenhill said that he would never join a church that didn't have a prayer meeting once a week at the very least.

(i'm teasing Frank with the "Wisconsin bit", God has us both where we should be)

this love, agape in Christ Jesus , I have for my brother, Frank at my times, has kept me my knees from weakening in the dark nights of soul, and I wanted to testify, PUBLICALLY to that Mercy of God.

God knows I speak the truth in Christ, how much my hearts desire that I had many more brothers on this very forum, said brotherhood, fire forged in the Holy Ghost, as my heart is NOT canted towards any division, or rancor.

and my brother Frank, who knows my heart will testify, that when God the Holy Ghost tells me I am wrong, or I have sinned, not two seconds pass, before I abase myself, fall on my face and beg forgiveness from both God and the offended brother or sister, I have no pride, dead to flesh, seek no esteem from man, but only broken hearted contrition and things made right.

However, when God the Holy Ghost unmasks to me, things that are counter to Him?...and His Will? I hesitate not one second to call things out with burning, blistering language, and people say that is "ungodly", and I am not being "Christlike"? Hear me, "Christlikeness" is not what some MAN tells you Christ is, but what God says about His Son!!!

so indulge in hectoring God's chosen people, the tribe of my flesh, the Jews to whom He, the Master of the Universe made irrevocable Promises to, when instead you should be speaking honest and TRUE, against the most fell, dastardly, religious institution, the whore of Rome, the "roman catholic church" with its popery, priestcraft, superstitutions, mary idolatry, homosexual pedophilia, just rank sin.

so continue with this "replacement theology" APOSTASY, it is just the begotten of the pit!

instead of me just writing, i'll post up one of the first sermons I heard from another of my fathers in the Faith, dr. Ian Paisley speaking on "Fundamentalism vs. Apostasy"

http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=6863

oh, but how I would desire to hug you as brothers, however as long as you walk such a dark path?

Light have no fellowship with darkness.

(excuse me brother Frank, God the Holy Spirit just moved in me)

_________________
Lisa

Hi Lisa, you were not off on a tangent at all. God bless you sister. You said " Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord," and I say Amen!!!

Neil, those words you spoke are true and the fellowship that exists between us both is in Christ alone by the power of the Holy Spirit. Very different backgrounds, you raised in the Jewish faith and myself raised in the Catholic faith yet now both one in Christ Jesus and I rejoice in this miracle of miracles, a brotherhood, a royal priesthood, forged on the bloody cross of Calvary. The world is divided by countries, by ethnicities, by politics, by cultures, by economics. In every way each and every society is deeply divided in a thousand different ways. Yet Christ comes to unite us, as He stated in that High priestly prayer, that the world may know why He came and from whom He came and that whosoever may rejoice and be one in the glory of God the Father and His Son. This is the greatest miracle of all. A disparate people joined together as one and the devil hates it and fights it with everything in him because he knows the power that is unleashed when the Body of Christ stands as one, united in love and glory.

Here are a few things I do not know for certain. I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture, but many good men do and therefore I may be wrong. I do not believe in a literal millennium, but many brothers, way smarter than me do, so I may be wrong. I believe that when Christ comes back, He judges all things and then eternity, either in heaven or hell. Many good brothers disagree, I may be wrong. I do not believe that Jesus is coming back to set up a Kingdom here on earth with a restored physical Israel, many good brothers do, I may be wrong. The things in which I believe I am convinced after 25 years of studying, I still may be wrong. I will give account to God alone for the things which I believe and what I do with His word.

What I refuse to do is judge another brother in these issues. I believe all of the above issues are non-essentials to salvation and eternal life and that the king of all sophistry makes a great deal of hay out of all of those issues and he does so with a great big smile. The time is short, the days are dark, the Bride is coming soon. ( good opening line for a poem) Christ will prepare His bride for His coming. He will forge them together in the fires of affliction and the murcky waters of persecution. Yet praise God, even in this He is with us in the fires and through the waters. We shall not be consumed nor overcome because of the one that we love who will have His way, His words will come to pass, He will have the rewards of His sufferings................bro Frank

appolus wrote:

_________________
Oracio