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TMK
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 Big Bang Deflated- Universe May Have Had No Beginning

http://news.yahoo.com/big-bang-deflated-universe-may-had-no-beginning-140017504.html


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Todd

 2015/3/1 8:53Profile
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 Re: Big Bang Deflated- Universe May Have Had No Beginning

"So when we say that the universe begins with a big bang, we really have no right to say that," Brandenberger told Live Science.

Nor does their "correction term", which is their equally theoretical stab in the dark, give them the right to say the universe is infinitely old.

Science has an agenda. While it represents a fruit of knowledge and techniques for knowing, it is also a field of inquiry driven by the spiritual wickedness of this order of things. It has as its overarching goal the ultimate distraction of man away from the knowledge of God. In this manner it is not qualitatively different from any area of thought that exalts itself against God, i.e., science=porn=idolatry=pride=robbery, etc.

This is evident in the admission in the quote above. We have no right to draw a conclusion but we are driven to one for our own reasons, and we will continue to serve that drive with as many theories and explanations as we can formulate even though we have no right to say them either since we must always supply that which is unknown to us in order to make the math work, in order to make the theory work.

This latest but not newest permutation is the infinity of matter. If matter had no beginning then by definition it had no Beginner. It is self caused. Matter is, in a word, God. And as we master it.... You can see where this leads. It leads us to where we are and puts us on a throne. It removes the arguments against moral relativism because we are no longer merely accidental but in a sense sovereign. As self existent matter beings, we are God.

We can prove it. Watch us.

That is the upshot of this "discovery". It is nothing new.


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Tim

 2015/3/1 9:40Profile









 Re: I want to know God's ways

Dolfan/Tim, I think it's sad that this is your perspective to science.

Science has helped advance the LIFE of human race. It helps people whom have had traumatic experiences. It allows us (the global world) to communicate via computers with ease. It has given us electricity. I could go on and on.

The fruits of science are bountiful and give life to many, much more than ignorance would.

There are many scientific people that are godly and seek the heart and ways of Christ.

The scientific culture does get political and even arrogant. In those times, I'd say that's people getting in the way of human understanding (of science).

So, when the scientific communities say things like this...I'm prone to take it as a grain of salt. Why? Because science encourages skeptics. We can test what they say. The models of Human Evolution and Big Bang Theory are *imperfect*, they are good models for our current understanding but...the sun rotating around us was a really good model at understanding things.

Finally, Scripture is clear, "God I want to know your ways. Teach me Your ways. Help me understand." I did a study on 'understanding' and it blew me away how the scriptures testify of God's power and work through understanding (science). All science is...is a desire to understand more. There is nothing inherently wrong with that.

P.S. When it comes to the actual science of the 'beginning of the universe' science knows it does NOT know a whole lot. It's just a bunch of educated guesses. There are tons of unanswered questions. I'd say their pursuit is good but their conclusions are a bit outlandish because they are too blind to many things.

 2015/3/1 10:48
dolfan
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LMH,

Might I recommend two books by Neil Postman, Technopoly and Amusing Ourselves to Death?

I can adequately rebut your point, but I would rather persuade you. Hence, the recommendation.


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Tim

 2015/3/1 19:08Profile









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I can't find the other PhD/Dr that wrote a book on the quantum world and Jesus.

But for now, the only person I'd recommend to you is Dr. Sarah McGee. http://www.jesusreignseternal.org/index.php?page=start

I will say, looking at the summary of Mr. Postman, I agree with his premise. But I'm a strong advocate of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. :)

P.S. I'd throw out the church if I judged God by the Christians. ;)

Edited: I just realized Louie Giglio speaks on this topic lightly.

 2015/3/2 12:10
dolfan
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I do not want to seem anti-knowledge. Of course not.

Knowledge makes discernment possible. How crazy would I be if I said knowledge is bad and I can prove it with.....known facts? It would be self defeating.

Science and technologies come with biases that cannot be avoided and should be acknowledged. In the hands of fallen men, fully corrupt even in our best and highest intents, they are not only biased but are diabolical. We do not recognize their evil because they provide benefits that make them benign in our estimation. But, we err right here. Benefits (goodnesses) do not weigh against corruptions. Rather, corruptions mar the whole. We merely accustom ourselves to those corruptions and create a diminished scale by which to measure all things. So, if a thing provides benefits, we weigh the benefits vs the "cons" and judge on that basis. But, God judges rightly. He measures against Himself. He is not interested in a thing being more right or more beneficial than it is wrong or harmful. Leaven leavens the whole of our devices, inventions, designs, loftiest ideals and highest aspirations. Before Him, it is consumed.

So, science. So, technology. Chips come with the inherent quality of information storage, and storage is for no other purpose if not manipulation and leverage of information. Power to control and manipulate information is man's deepest desire because from it comes belief, knowledge. From that control comes worship, loyalty and obeisance of the controlled. And humans, being corrupt to the core, are fit to gain and manage information only insofar as we will obscure truth. That is the best we can do, unless we are redeemed and sanctified to Christ; if we are transformed by the renewing of our minds, we will subserve our science to Him. That is not what is happening in the world with tech and science.


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Tim

 2015/3/2 19:37Profile









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Sounds fairly jaded, extreme, and detached from reality imo.

I'd encourage you to seek the Lord within science. He can be found there. He can be found anywhere.

 2015/3/3 9:26





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