SermonIndex Audio Sermons
SermonIndex - Promoting Revival to this Generation
Give To SermonIndex
Discussion Forum : Articles and Sermons : Grace Rules by Gary Wilkerson

Print Thread (PDF)

Goto page ( Previous Page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 Next Page )
PosterThread
yuehan
Member



Joined: 2011/6/15
Posts: 562


 Re:

Dear Greg,

Check this out - an American missionary's testimony on how the grace of God freed him from lust and pornogrpahy:

Part 1: http://bit.ly/2fD8AmH

Part 2: http://bit.ly/2kgFOxg

He provides a great exposition on Romans too, and perhaps captures the truth of Gary Wilkerson's message in a more cogent way.

Let us diligently enter into His rest!!

edit: testimony belongs to Dustin Horstmann

 2014/10/27 12:00Profile
Sree
Member



Joined: 2011/8/20
Posts: 1953


 Re:

Quote:

There is a difference between APPEASE and PLEASE, one seeks to pacify, the other to satisfy.



yes i know there is a difference. appease also includes pleasing. to certain degree appease is expected by God, which includes both pleasing and repentance. no sinner is automatically reconciled. it is deceptive to say that nothing is needed. The line I quoted from this article says even pleasing God is not needed.

Quote:
Isn't that the gist of the article?



see I am not a Calvinist. I hold the entire Bible, not just few selected verses. That is why I am able to see the deception in the midst of the gist of this article. A guy like you whom I assume a Calvinist will be blinded by the gist alone and not see the false teachings placed inside it. I am not saying Calvinism is the deception, but the other extreme of Grace placed in this article is the deception. You will see it only if you stop seeing things out of your theological box. No matter how much I explain, it will only be like explaining color to a blind.

Quote:

Also, you mentioned the physical healings as being only momentary, and that is true, physical healing is temporary, ephemeral, like a shadow of something else that is more real than it. Physical healing is like a sign-post pointing the way towards spiritual healing. The healings were a physical sermon that would hopefully teach the lesson that "Jesus saves" in an eternal sense.



I disagree. Jesus did not come giving physical healing alone. He gave real spiritual healing. He did not come to give shadow of spiritual healing alone. He came to give real spiritual healing. See Zacchaeus who received the real spiritual healing, freedom from love of money. To Zacchaeus Jesus said salvation has come to your home, but to those whom he healed he never said that. Instead to them he warned them not to sin else much worse will happen. The point is we cannot create a theology out of healing and applying it to salvation. That is why I find this article fundamentally wrong.


_________________
Sreeram

 2014/10/27 12:08Profile









 Re: yuehan

I found these interesting. Can you give me more information about who wrote these? You do not have an email address listed so I could not email you. I have one and you can email me if you want. I hope to hear from you.

I like this

"Each of us must ask this of ourselves: am I trying to do my best to be worthy of the Spirit?s help, or am I trusting in Christ alone as the reason why the Father supplies His Spirit? What do you trust in the secret place of your heart while being tempted by evil?"

 2014/10/27 13:14
InTheLight
Member



Joined: 2003/7/31
Posts: 2850
Phoenix, Arizona USA

 Re:

Quote:
A guy like you whom I assume a Calvinist will be blinded by the gist alone and not see the false teachings placed inside it.



You assume incorrectly.

Quote:
Jesus did not come giving physical healing alone. He gave real spiritual healing. He did not come to give shadow of spiritual healing alone. He came to give real spiritual healing.



Isn't that what I said?

In Christ,


_________________
Ron Halverson

 2014/10/27 13:25Profile
yuehan
Member



Joined: 2011/6/15
Posts: 562


 Re:

Tuc,

That testimony belongs to Dustin Horstmann, who's currently based in Taiwan. You can look for him on Twitter and Facebook - he regularly shares short devotionals, they are great stuff.

 2014/10/27 13:29Profile
Oracio
Member



Joined: 2007/6/26
Posts: 2094
Whittier CA USA

 Re:

From the article brother Greg posted

Quote:
Let’s say a young man with a pornography addiction wants to be set free. He also tends to have a “works” mentality. One night he reads the following passage: “How can a young man keep his way pure? By guarding it according to your word” (Psalm 119:9, ESV). The young man thinks if he reads his Bible more, he’ll find freedom. Next he reads a passage that says, “Pray for one another.” So he joins a men’s accountability group and asks them to pray for him.

All the actions he has taken are good but in his heart, he is depending on doing things—on works—to provide the freedom he seeks. Yet this mentality only drives him farther down into bondage and despair. Following after Christ is not dependent on works—working to receive what only God can supply by faith.

Another young man in the same church is also struggling with pornography. He prays, “Lord, I’m helpless without You and I know that all too well. Yet, I also know that You are my hope. I come to You now, leaving behind my despair and trusting You to do a work in me. I know I need just one thing to overcome this sin: Your empowering grace. Let it roll over me now. Otherwise, I’m hopeless.”

This man will be met by God’s empowering grace. Why? Because he has knocked down every barrier that is preventing him from that grace—all with one simple prayer.


Yes, that is not the whole counsel of God's Word. I'm reminded of many scriptures and exhortations such as these:

"If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell."-Matthew 5:29-30

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure."

Brother Greg, I acknowledge I posted too much on this thread on the issue of limited atonement or Calvinism in general after tuc asked me about my views on that, and for that I apologize. I agree that this issue addressed in this thread is not really about that.

After reading a recent post here I just want to say here that I and probably most every other Christian who has theological leanings as myself don't believe in any form of cheap grace, sloppy agape, or easy-believism. I believe in what is sometimes called Lordship Salvation, meaning you can't have Christ as Savior without also having Him as Lord of your life and submitting to His lordship.


_________________
Oracio

 2014/10/27 14:15Profile
yuehan
Member



Joined: 2011/6/15
Posts: 562


 Re:

Hi Oracio - have you read Dustin's testimony which I posted above on God's grace setting him free from lust and pornography?

 2014/10/27 14:25Profile
Oracio
Member



Joined: 2007/6/26
Posts: 2094
Whittier CA USA

 Re:

Quote:
Hi Oracio - have you read Dustin's testimony which I posted above on God's grace setting him free from lust and pornography?


I briefly glanced at them and saw they were quite lengthy, especially the second one. Unfortunately, I'm a slow reader and don't think I'd have time to read through them and participate in this thread simultaneously. Could you give a synopsis?


_________________
Oracio

 2014/10/27 15:26Profile
yuehan
Member



Joined: 2011/6/15
Posts: 562


 Re:

Quote:
I briefly glanced at them and saw they were quite lengthy, especially the second one. Unfortunately, I'm a slow reader and don't think I'd have time to read through them and participate in this thread simultaneously. Could you give a synopsis?


Do take the time to read it, as it answers your objections thoroughly.

Paul writes: "For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace." (Romans 6:14)

Brief excerpts:

1. "Then I saw it: The purpose of Christ’s death was to die to sin. I was freely joined to His death. And God had already shown me Romans 7, that I am helpless apart from Him. I was to look to Him!

Childlike trust in the midst of temptation: Up to this point, I was still being very tempted by lust. But when I saw the above, though it sounds childlike, the weight of my trust went from Dustin Horstmann to Jesus Christ, and in that moment, I felt power, like I had never felt before, and the temptation broke off of me like it was nothing."

2. "I felt great temptations to lust that in the past easily would defeat me. I said to myself, "No man could say no to this temptation. It is so alluring."

God wanted me to hear myself say that because Christianity isn’t about what man can give to God, but what God gives to man through Christ.

I remembered Christ, and said something like, "Even though this temptation is too great for me, Christ freed me from it, 2000 years ago." I looked to Him in trust and immediately this temptation broke off like it was nothing."

 2014/10/27 15:32Profile
Oracio
Member



Joined: 2007/6/26
Posts: 2094
Whittier CA USA

 Re:

yuehan, I managed to read the testimony and thought it was interesting. I can see much truth in it but I do have some reservations because I am convinced from Scripture that we play a part in our sanctification; it's not all God and none of us. For example, if one is struggling with pornography they are commanded to pluck out their eye, meaning do whatever it takes to get rid of it. That can mean getting rid of a computer or having someone put a filter on it, or moving away from a family member's home that is filled with filthy pictures on the wall, etc. Of course we must do all this while praying fervently for deliverance from the Lord, but the Lord will require we do our part if we are serious about gaining victory in those areas. That is how I was delivered from that particular sin myself. I had to cry out to God for His strength but at the same time I had to do my part in getting rid of certain hindrances or obstacles that placed me in temptation.

Like brother Greg pointed out, there is a middle ground between legalism and hyper-grace when it comes to our sanctification.


_________________
Oracio

 2014/10/27 17:57Profile





©2002-2024 SermonIndex.net
Promoting Revival to this Generation.
Privacy Policy