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twayneb
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| | Re: | | Although there are some who believe that some of the early histories and family records in the first few chapters might have been written by Moses from other writings, i.e., he might have compiles some records given him from Adam and etc.. I don't believe there would be much real evidence to support this but it is definitely possibility.
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TMK
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| | Re: | | My pastor recently preached on a three word answer to your questiom:
"Because it works"
It's true. It really does.
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Lysa
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| | Re: Can the bible be trusted? | | Quote:
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How do you prove the Bible to be true to an Atheist who believes it has been corrupted?
You can't just say the Bible is true because it is. It has to be true for a reason.
Brother John,
Unless God opens the eyes of the blind, they will not see. Knowing this helps me tremendously in speaking to people because the pressure is on God, not me! All I do is share my testimony with them!
God bless,
Lisa
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DEADn
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by TMK on 2014/5/14 22:43:40
My pastor recently preached on a three word answer to your questiom:
"Because it works"
It's true. It really does.
That pastor is ignorant.
There are alot of things that work.
Black magic works.
Yoga works
That answer doesn't go far enough.
Is that really an answer? Arm a teenager with that and they are not likely to stand in the face of pressure unless they know God is there.
In the world today a Christian has to have better answers.
Paul didn't say 'It works' did he?
This reminds me of a church I attended for a year. A small country church. I got bored with it and decided to run the sound board for a little while. I wrote how many times the pastor says 3 key word phrases...out of habit, not of the Spirit. 149 times in 45 minutes.
The church was dead spiritually yet elders told me he preached the Word of God. Yet, nothing was really happening in that church. It was a desert in that building.
It didn't work in the building.....probably because the lack of prayer and separation..my guess.
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TMK
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| | Re: | | Well duh--- obviously his sermon was more than three words. That was one point of an entire sermon. Bottom line is if you follow the Word and obey Jesus then you will have an abundant life. Those are Jesus's words, not mine or my pastor's.
And what in the world gives you the right to call him ignorant? Didn't Jesus issue a specific warning about that?
You aren't going to prove to anyone that the Bible is reliable just like you can't prove that God even exists. You can explain WHY it can be trusted but you can't force people to trust it.
And heck even people who trust it don't follow it.
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DEADn
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by TMK on 2014/5/15 10:01:07
Well duh--- obviously his sermon was more than three words. That was one point of an entire sermon. Bottom line is if you follow the Word and obey Jesus then you will have an abundant life. Those are Jesus's words, not mine or my pastor's.
And what in the world gives you the right to call him ignorant? Didn't Jesus issue a specific warning about that?
You aren't going to prove to anyone that the Bible is reliable just like you can't prove that God even exists. You can explain WHY it can be trusted but you can't force people to trust it.
And heck even people who trust it don't follow it.
'Because it works' doesn't prove that something is true does it?
A Muslim can say the same of Islam. How do you prove He is wrong? Especially when he says the bible is corrupted.
How do you prove New World Translation is wrong especially if a JW won't accept a regular bible?
We don't examine the history of the bible in order to defend it? Some will not listen to you unless you can prove certain things.
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davym
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Some will not listen to you unless you can prove certain things.
Although I can understand your frustration at the inability to provide a quick 'proof' answer to any inquisitor, it should be remembered that we are not obliged to prove the Bible is true by means of mans logic and scientific niceties, but only to preach the Gospel.
The Western world has become so heathen now that to even suggest there is such a thing as 'the Word of God' sounds obnoxious and offensive to unbelievers.
However as it is the living Word, if we quote it to unbelievers and the Holy Spirit quickens it in their heart then the proof will come not from us, but from God.
David
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TMK
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| | Re: | | Sure-- you can do all sorts of things to show that the bible we have today is a reliable copy of the originals. For example there is far more manuscript evidence for the bible than for Plato's writings. But people who say the Bible is unreliable would not say that Plato's "Republic" is unreliable. Double standard.
People who are biased against the Bible don't WANT to be persuaded otherwise. They are frightened of the implications of being persuaded.
You don't see the Apostles arguing anyone into the Kingdom. They just laid out the facts and let the HS do the rest. And like Andrew said earlier they looked like fools doing so. Paul was laughed off of Mars Hill when he mentioned the resurrection.
Apologetics has it's place I suppose but arguing only goes so far.
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havok20x
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| | Re: | | Brother John,
What is the motivation behind the question. The reason why I ask is because I do not give the same answer to a believer as I would an unbeliever.
In what situation do I find myself? |
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