I remember hearing some one say that the U S Cistitution was just as inspired as the Holy Bible.

If I remember correctly a fair number of those at the Constitutional Covention were Diests and Masons. This included the moderator of the Convention, Ben Franklin.

But let us quote 2 Tim. 3:16 with a new twist.

All the U S Constitution is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness,

Nah. Even The Message is more appealing then the US Constitution.

Bearmaster.

I live in deep east Texas. I hear this sort of nonsense all the time at my church and on the radio and everywhere. And it wasn't until a few months ago that I also believed it. I am not better than anyone here in my town, but I am glad the Lord slapped me awake and showed me the darkness that was infecting my heart. Many men in my church say things like (and I said them too), "they can take my life, but they can't take my guns." And, having been shown by the Lord better, I will, in love, show them verses like Romans 13 and I always get the, "The constitution is the authority in our land, not people" response.

I'm sorry. We don't have the luxury of loopholes in this life. Winning by technicality is still a loss on our end, even if we convince the opposing side. The problem with so many believers in the USA is that they are willing to lay their lives down for all sorts of things--things that will perish and rot and will not outlast the purging of creation. But when it comes to the Gospel, we are largely silent. We allow all sorts of spiritual darkness to creep in everywhere--in our minds and churches and homes, and we do nothing. But you better be careful, because if a government official shows up on our doorstep, demanding our guns or rights or this or that, they are gonna get shot. Don't mind all the demonic teachings that have crept in, things that impact the rest of eternity, so long as we have a gun.

Those verses in Romans 13 are talking about people who are in higher authority than us. Regardless of what the constitution says, those people are still in authority over us. Rather than waging war in the flesh, how about we pray that God would give us the wisdom and dependence on him to actually preach the Gospel in our churches, communities, and all over this country. We have to draw a line in the sand. But it isn't and can't be about the constitution. We need to live out the distinction that God shows between His people and those who are not His people through a dependence on Christ, a pursuit of holiness, and the preaching of the Gospel. Lord knows I need to be doing that.

It is so easy for me to get on this forum and talk about these things and be a hypocrite who actually doesn't live it. And I am not using myself as an example to point out someone else's flaw. I am serious about me. If I am not careful, I will speak things that are truth, but not lived as truth in my own life. Those of us who are Americans, we all need a change of mind in regards to submission--especially me, because this isn't about me or you. It is about the glory of God through the Gospel of Christ.

Dear Havok, what a great reply. There are obvious idols and then there are not so obvious idols. Those who have been on SI for any length of time no my position on the issues of patriotism and how it can be a cancerous idol in the hearts of believers. Many things have been done down through the centuries for " the love of country." My citizenship is a spiritual one. Every human on the planet was born somewhere, but every genuine saint was born at the foot of the cross and we are fellow pilgrims, mere sojourners, ambassadors of another kingdom and another King, King Jesus. In the world when you become a citizen of another country, when you are " naturalized," you have to renounce all princes and potentates and pledge sole allegiance to the country to which you are becoming a citizen. As is in the world, so it is in the Kingdom. We are about our Father's business in the very short time that we are here..............bro Frank

by appolus on 2014/4/17 11:15:52

Dear Havok, what a great reply. There are obvious idols and then there are not so obvious idols. Those who have been on SI for any length of time no my position on the issues of patriotism and how it can be a cancerous idol in the hearts of believers. Many things have been done down through the centuries for " the love of country." My citizenship is a spiritual one. Every human on the planet was born somewhere, but every genuine saint was born at the foot of the cross and we are fellow pilgrims, mere sojourners, ambassadors of another kingdom and another King, King Jesus. In the world when you become a citizen of another country, when you are " naturalized," you have to renounce all princes and potentates and pledge sole allegiance to the country to which you are becoming a citizen. As is in the world, so it is in the Kingdom. We are about our Father's business in the very short time that we are here..............bro Frank

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AMEN!!!

Hi Everyone:

First time post response for me, but a long time reader and listener at SI.

In response to the sisters question, 2 Chronicles 7:14, is our only hope of getting the Lord to turn our captivity, not only as a Nation, but first, as individuals, then as a church.

I hear many say, "Judgement is coming!", No, we are in the midst of judgement, God has already turned the Nation and the church over to a reprobate mind and a spirit of delusion. Judgement has already started at the house of God, God help us if we can't see it.

With that said, God knows who are His, and He will provide for, deliver, protect, heal, and save His sheep as long as we maintain the conditions as outlined in the above scripture.

I believe one of the reasons we have same sex marriage in this country is because we, as His church, have not held up the sanctity of true covenant marriage as God defined it. Hence, since we were not faithful stewards in upholding and fighting for this truth God has sent a delusion upon the people that they would believe a lie and has allowed the definition of one man and one woman to be perverted. As the church has mocked God, He is now mocking the church. (I speak of those who only profess to know Him in word)

Things that were not allowed, accepted, or even spoken of when I was a child are now being done in excess.

Do we as a body of believers understand that the warnings of Paul in 2Timothy 3:1-9 and Romans 1:22-32 are speaking to believers? He is defining the behavior of those who profess Christ.

There is no question in my mind that our President was put in office by God. However, as wicked a ruler as he may seem (is), he IS a reflection of the heart of the people.

So is it wrong to pray that God turn our captivity or high health insurance premiums? For me, my hope and allegiance is not found in any country,nation, or union in this world, but solely in God's Kingdom.

Because this thread is about Obamacare, I will say this, If Obamacare goes away, I will praise God, if it doesn't I will praise Him ever more. I just want my heart to be right and don't want to misjudge the heart of another.

I also Amen the stepping out in faith and availing ourselves to the bodily healing that Christ already purchased and atoned for in His own blood. For He not only forgives all of our iniquities, but Healeth all our diseases.

God's Richest Blessing's & A Wonderful Resurrection Sunday To All. Brother Dave

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First, we need to understand basic instruction about the Christian calling. A Christian is not of this world or its systems. Regarding the religious and political systems of men—Babylon—God instructs, “Come out of her, MY PEOPLE, that you be not partakers of her sins” (Rev. 18:4). Babylon means confusion. The true servants of God have come out of this world, its governments and its confusion (I Cor. 14:33). When your government "lies" to you, you should not be partakers of it's sins.

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Please tell me Paul was not appealing to man's law. What is wrong with Paul? Appealing to his Roman citizenship because of unjust treatment? He is just not as spiritual as the rest of us, I guess. Why didn't Paul just let himself be wronged, praise the Lord and go on this way?

Act 16:35 And when it was day, the magistrates sent the serjeants, saying, Let those men go.
Act 16:36 And the keeper of the prison told this saying to Paul, The magistrates have sent to let you go: now therefore depart, and go in peace.

Act 16:37 But Paul said unto them, They have beaten us openly uncondemned, BEING ROMANS, and have cast us into prison; and now do they thrust us out privily? nay verily; but let them come themselves and fetch us out.

Act 16:38 And the serjeants told these words unto the magistrates: and they feared, when they heard that THEY WERE ROMANS.
Act 16:39 And they came and besought them, and brought them out, and desired them to depart out of the city.

Amen, Bill.

We don't have to submit to man's laws which are contrary to God's character and expectations. Acts 5:29