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 Freer Logion addition to Mark 16:14

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And they excused themselves, saying, "This age of lawlessness and unbelief is under Satan, who does not allow the truth and power of God to prevail over the unclean things of the spirits [or: does not allow what lies under the unclean spirits to understand the truth and power of God]. Therefore reveal thy righteousness now" - thus they spoke to Christ. And Christ replied to them, "The term of years of Satan's power has been fulfilled, but other terrible things draw near. And for those who have sinned I was delivered over to death, that they may return to the truth and sin no more in order to inherit the spiritual and incorruptible glory of righteousness which is in heaven.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Washingtonianus#Freer_Logion

 2014/3/11 16:19
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 Re: Freer Logion addition to Mark 16:14


The ending of Mark in this codex is especially noteworthy because it includes a unique insertion after Mark 16:14, referred to as the "Freer Logion".
Κακεινοι απελογουντο λεγοντες οτι ο ιων ουτος της ανομιας υπο τον σαταναν εστιν, ο μη εων τα (τον μη εωντα?) υπο των πνευματων ακαθαρτα (-των?) την αληθειαν του θεου καταλαβεσθαι (+ και?) δυναμιν δια τουτο αποκαλυψον σου την δικαιοσυνην ηδη, εκεινοι ελεγον τω χριστω και ο χριστος εκεινοις προσελεγεν οτι πεπληρωται ο ορος των ετων της εξουσιας του σατανα, αλλα εγγιζει αλλα δεινα και υπερ ων εγω αμαρτησαντων παρεδοθην εις θανατον ινα υποστρεψωσιν εις την αληθειαν και μηκετι αμαρτησωσιν ινα την εν τω ουρανω πνευματικην και αφθαρτον της δικαιοσυνης δοξαν κληρονομησωσιν.[21]

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And they excused themselves, saying, "This age of lawlessness and unbelief is under Satan, who does not allow the truth and power of God to prevail over the unclean things of the spirits [or: does not allow what lies under the unclean spirits to understand the truth and power of God]. Therefore reveal thy righteousness now" - thus they spoke to Christ. And Christ replied to them, "The term of years of Satan's power has been fulfilled, but other terrible things draw near. And for those who have sinned I was delivered over to death, that they may return to the truth and sin no more in order to inherit the spiritual and incorruptible glory of righteousness which is in heaven.[22]


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It does not seem right for disciples to be talking back essentially teaching Jesus Christ. Throughout the gospels mostly they ask very short questions in response because Jesus Himself was the teacher they were the disciples.


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true however they by then were well versed in everything of the Kingdom. Peter does rebuke Jesus

...And Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him.
(Mark 8:32b NASB)

I don't know. there were probably lots of fragments floating around that people heard first hand that never made it into a surviving copy of a Gospel

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another thought that I had about a teaching from a Zac Poonen book you might think interesting, in its perspective on this:

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Jesus associated intimately with the lowest strata of society and moved among them as their equal. And yet, although He was sinless and perfect, He never made others feel awkward because of their imperfections. He had no patronizing air about Him when He moved around with His disciples. In fact, He moved so freely with them that they felt free to rebuke Him and even to give Him advice (Mt. 16:22; Mk. 4:38; 9:5).



Living As Jesus Lived Chapter 2 pp 14 - Zac Poonen
http://www.cfcindia.com/web/mainpages/book_window.php?book=living_as_jesus_lived

some thoughts

 2014/3/11 19:36
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Mark 8:33 KJV
[33] But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Actually, they did not fully understand the Kingdom. Christ had taught them about it but the Spirit had not revealed it to them yet. The disciples didin't understand the Kingdom until after Pentacost, even then it was revealed through things like Peter's vision of the Sheet with clean and unclean animals and then God's revelations to Paul in Arabia before his commissioning in Antioch.

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