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Online! | The Mental and Emotional Anguish of Hell by John Boruff | | Not only will the torments of Hell be physical, they will also be mental and emotional. “There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth” (Matt. 13:42), not only for the physical pain caused by burning in flames, or from the maggots writhing and eating away at the living Hell-corpses of the damned; but, also there will be wailing and crying because of total depression, sorrow, misery, and hopelessness. All is lost! Too late to repent and believe the Gospel! TOO LATE!! “Hell has no exits!”4 The damned have no hope of future salvation from this miserable place; they know that; it makes them nauseous to think it, as they all too well remember they must look at hideous demons, disfigured faces, caverns, sores, and smell the stench of burning flesh and rotten egg-smelling brimstone smoke (sulfurous gases):– FOR EVER AND EVER! It’s worse than any prison or dungeon or mental institution on Earth. It is HELL!
The only respite they will have, is when they stand before the throne of God at the Last Judgment, and are then afterward thrown in the lake of fire (Rev. 20:11-15). “The souls of the wicked are cast into Hell, where they remain in torments and utter darkness, reserved to the judgment of the Great Day” (see Luke 16:23-24; Acts 1:25; Jude 6-7; 1 Pet. 3:19).5 One other mental torment the damned experience is the ability to see in a vision far off, into Heaven, all the godly saints they persecuted in their lifetime: “Being in torments in Hell, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I AM TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME!’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented” (Luke 16:23-25).
Fire! Fire! Everlasting fire! Can you see the funeral pyre? Millions of corpses burning in fire! Contemplate a scene so dire!
Worms! Worms! Flesh-eating worms! Can you see them in their arms? Millions, billions of maggot worms! Nauseous, putrid, revolting germs!
Sadness and sorrow! Eternal sorrow! Suffering in fire:--there’s no tomorrow! Only burning, and worms, and sorrow! Turn to Christ or burn with sorrow!
Take from the free ebook - The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Salvation from Hell and the Way to Heaven: http://evangelicalmystics.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/the-gospel-of-jesus-christ.pdf _________________ SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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| 2014/2/28 10:24 | Profile |
| Re: The Mental and Emotional Anguish of Hell by John Boruff | | Sums up exactly why I reject such a barbaric version of the doctrine of hell. Gruesome torture for ever and ever and ever and ever is not justice - it's pernicious sadisim , and a god that would sanction such a thing this worthy of contempt. |
| 2014/2/28 11:30 | | sermonindex Moderator
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Online! | Re: | | This is the God of the last 2000 years of Church history of the Bible you are speaking of my friend. Hell is eternal. Eternal Punishment is real. God is Holy. Sin is the worst offence in the universe. God allowed His Son to be killed on a Roman Cross in this sin-cursed world for us. God dying means there is great stakes at hand.
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| 2014/2/28 12:16 | Profile |
| Re: | | In that case I cannot worship him - he is a monster. |
| 2014/2/28 14:50 | | DEADn Member
Joined: 2011/1/12 Posts: 1395 Lakeland FL
| Re: | | Butters
What is your understanding of sin and the nature of sin in God's sight? _________________ John
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| 2014/2/28 14:58 | Profile | sermonindex Moderator
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Online! | Re: | | My friend, again we do not endorse all the ways taught or understanding of an eternal hell and torment but we do fully agree that the Bible clearly teaches and saints throughout all 2000 years of history have taught that hell is eternal, it has punishment and it is worse then we could ever imagine.
I encourage you to reach this verse in Revelation 14:10 I have listed it in many different versions here in case we have any doubt on its meaning:
New International Version they, too, will drink the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
New Living Translation must drink the wine of God's anger. It has been poured full strength into God's cup of wrath. And they will be tormented with fire and burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb.
English Standard Version he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
New American Standard Bible he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
King James Bible The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Holman Christian Standard Bible he will also drink the wine of God's wrath, which is mixed full strength in the cup of His anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb,
International Standard Version will drink the wine of God's wrath, which has been poured undiluted into the cup of his anger. He will be tortured with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the lamb.
NET Bible that person will also drink of the wine of God's anger that has been mixed undiluted in the cup of his wrath, and he will be tortured with fire and sulfur in front of the holy angels and in front of the Lamb.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English Shall also drink from the wine of the passion of THE LORD JEHOVAH, which is mixed without dilution in the cup of his rage, and he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy Angels and before the Lamb.”
GOD'S WORD® Translation will drink the wine of God's fury, which has been poured unmixed into the cup of God's anger. Then he will be tortured by fiery sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the lamb.
Jubilee Bible 2000 the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb;
King James 2000 Bible The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out undiluted into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
American King James Version The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
American Standard Version he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Douay-Rheims Bible He also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mingled with pure wine in the cup of his wrath, and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the sight of the holy angels, and in the sight of the Lamb.
Darby Bible Translation he also shall drink of the wine of the fury of God prepared unmixed in the cup of his wrath, and he shall be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb.
English Revised Version he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Webster's Bible Translation The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Weymouth New Testament he shall drink the wine of God's anger which stands ready, undiluted, in the cup of His fury, and he shall be tormented with fire and sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
World English Bible he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.
Young's Literal Translation he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, that hath been mingled unmixed in the cup of His anger, and he shall be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy messengers, and before the Lamb, _________________ SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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| 2014/2/28 15:01 | Profile |
| Re: | | DEADn - Pretty orthodox, actually. I do not deny the reality of hell. I just reject the nature of it as described in the original post. You could say I lean towards a more annihilationist position.
Before you lampoon me, bear in mind that you'll also have to lampoon the likes of John Stott, F.F. Bruce, C.S. Lewis (ok not exactly the same but he didn't subscribe to the model above) and even David Servant - http://www.heavensfamily.org/ss/e_teachings/the-hell-debate-annihilationism-part-2
I admit that eternal torture has been the majority view throughout church history - In my opinion it has inspired some of the more ugly expressions of theology down the centuries. Take the following quote from Thomas Aquinas —
'The blessed in the kingdom of heaven will see the punishments of the damned, in order that their bliss be more delightful for them.'
yeuch
I don't want to get into a debate now, but ask yourself, what possible reason could God (who takes 'no pleasure in the death of the wicked') have for torturing rebels for eternity rather than just eventually destroying them?
Greg - I have no issues with that verse - It doesn't say anything about it being for ever and ever.
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| 2014/2/28 15:11 | | enid Member
Joined: 2006/5/22 Posts: 2680 Nottingham, England
| Re: | | How come heaven is eternal, but hell isn't?
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| 2014/2/28 15:27 | Profile |
| Re: | | Butters actually you need to look at Revelation 14:11,
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest day or night,
Also Enid posed a fair question. How come heaven is eternal and hell is not? A valid question in light of the following verse out of Matthew 25:46 ,
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
It stands to reason in light of the above verse that if Heaven is eternal so must hell be eternal.
My thoughts.
Blaine
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| 2014/2/28 16:30 | | DEADn Member
Joined: 2011/1/12 Posts: 1395 Lakeland FL
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DEADn - Pretty orthodox, actually. I do not deny the reality of hell. I just reject the nature of it as described in the original post. You could say I lean towards a more annihilationist position.
Annihilationism is the subject I speak to. let's say that it is true and hell really doesn't exist. What would anyone care whether God existed or not? On one hand you go to Heaven if you have become born again because of sin. On the other hand you become null and void if you reject God. It would be as if you never existed in the first place when you die. 7th Day Adventists believe this as well as Jehovah Witnesses as well. Is this what you believe? This is how I see annihiliationism.
definition the theological doctrine that states that the wicked have no afterlife. _________________ John
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| 2014/2/28 16:43 | Profile |
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