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 The Holy Spirit transforms us through the renewal of our mind. Zac Poonen

The Holy Spirit transforms us through the renewal of our mind. (Rom. 12:2). It is in our thoughts that the seed of true Christlike humility is sown. It is not by our actions or by our behaviour before others but rather by our thoughts (when we are by ourselves) that we can ascertain whether we are being transformed into Christlikeness in this area or not - our thoughts concerning ourselves and about how we compare with others. - Zac Poonen

 2013/12/7 17:20









 Re: The Holy Spirit transforms us through the renewal of our mind. Zac Poonen

No, we are transformed through the reception of the renewed spirit and the pure heart. Scripture tells us that evil comes from the heart, from the seat of where our affections lie. What proceeds from that source governs the mind. Matthew says blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God. If a man does not have a pure heart he will struggle with his mind. To have right thoughts we must seek the pure heart.

The mind will develop after the cleansing but it will be about growing in grace, not towards grace and the growth will be rapid and supernatural so that an uneducated man will be enabled to hold his own with any scholar over doctrine. Zac Poonan is leaving out the first work that needs done.

 2013/12/7 17:39









 Re: greek/hebrew study HEART

The Old Testament uses the word "lêb" to mean "heart" and the LXX (Septuagint) translates it into the greek word "kardia" (and dianoia and nous). see below

HEBREW HEART "lêb"

Quote:

H3820
לב
lêb
labe
A form of H3824; the heart; also used (figuratively) very widely for the feelings, the will and even the intellect; likewise for the centre of anything: - + care for, comfortably, consent, X considered, courag [-eous], friend [-ly], ([broken-], [hard-], [merry-], [stiff-], [stout-], double) heart ([-ed]), X heed, X I, kindly, midst, mind (-ed), X regard ([-ed)], X themselves, X unawares, understanding, X well, willingly, wisdom.



gets translated into one of two greek words:

Quote:


HEART(kardia):

G2588
καρδία
kardia
kar-dee'-ah
Prolonged from a primary κάρ kar (Latin cor, “heart”); the heart, that is, (figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle: - (+ broken-) heart (-ed).

OR

MIND(dianoia):

G1271
διάνοια
dianoia
dee-an'-oy-ah
From G1223 and G3563; deep thought, properly the faculty (mind or its disposition), by implication its exercise: - imagination, mind, understanding.

Also into "nous" G3563



depending on the verse.


my question is, where does the heart fall under? I mean, which category? Body, Soul, Spirit? of course not the Body, so either soul or spirit. have any insight?

edit: clarity, moved post

 2013/12/7 17:59









 Re: greek/hebrew study SPIRIT

Also these correspond using the LXX:

Quote:

SPIRIT

hebrew:

H7307
רוּח
rûach
roo'-akh
From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).



Gets translated into one of two greek words:

Quote:

G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

OR

G5590
ψυχή
psuchē
psoo-khay'
From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315, nephesh], [H7307, rûach] and [H2416, chay]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.



depending on the hebrew verse


According to Strong's Concordance:

G5590 psuchē corresponds to [H5315, nephesh]

G4151 pneuma corresponds to [H7307, rûach]

G2222 zōē corresponds to [H2416, chay]



Quote:

G2222
ζωή
zōē
dzo-ay'
From G2198; life (literally or figuratively): - life (-time). Compare G5590.



and related "chay" or "alive":

Quote:

H2416
חי
chay
khah'ee
From H2421; alive; hence raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively: - + age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life (-time), live (-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, + merry, multitude, + (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.

 2013/12/7 18:02









 Re: verses using both Heart and Spirit from greek/hebrew words above

Quote:
Everyone whose heart(lêb/kardia) stirred him and everyone whose spirit(rûach/psuchē) moved him came and brought the LORD'S contribution for the work of the tent of meeting and for all its service and for the holy garments.
(Exodus 35:21 NASB)

(above the hebrew rûach is translated into psuchē instead of pneuma)

but let it be the hidden person of the heart(kardia), with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit(pneuma), which is precious in the sight of God.
(1 Peter 3:4 NASB)

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul(psuchē) and spirit(pneuma), of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart(kardia).
(Hebrews 4:12 NASB)

 2013/12/7 18:08









 Re: greek/hebrew words for heart and soul used together

I say all this because Jesus makes a distinction:

Quote:

AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART(kardia), AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL(psuchē), AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND(dianoia), AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.'
(Mark 12:30 NASB)



Quote:
"Only give heed to yourself and keep your soul(nephesh/psuchē) diligently, so that you do not forget the things which your eyes have seen and they do not depart from your heart(lêbâb/kardia) all the days of your life; but make them known to your sons and your grandsons.
(Deuteronomy 4:9 NASB)




lêbâb is just another word for heart, similar to lêb (I think).

Quote:

H3824
לבב
lêbâb
lay-bawb'
From H3823; the heart (as the most interior organ); used also like H3820: - + bethink themselves, breast, comfortably, courage, ([faint], [tender-] heart([-ed]), midst, mind, X unawares, understanding.


 2013/12/7 18:13









 Re: greek/hebrew words for SOUL corresponding in LXX

I'm not sure of any instances where the hebrew word nephesh gets translated into any greek word other than psuchē.

Quote:

SOUL:

hebrew:

H5315
נפשׁ
nephesh
neh'-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.



Gets translated into the greek word:

Quote:

G5590
ψυχή
psuchē
psoo-khay'
From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.



 2013/12/7 18:16









 Re: more OT verses with Spirit and Heart words

more OT verses with Spirit and Heart words:

Quote:
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit(rûach, pneuma); A broken and a contrite heart(lêb,kardia), O God, You will not despise.
(Psalms 51:17 NASB)




Quote:
For thus says the high and exalted One Who lives forever, whose name is Holy, "I dwell on a high and holy place, And also with the contrite and lowly of spirit(rûach, oligopsuchos) In order to revive the spirit(rûach, n/a) of the lowly And to revive the heart(lêb,kardia) of the contrite.
(Isaiah 57:15 NASB)



in Isaiah 57:15 "lowly of rûach" gets translated into "little spirited" (oligopsuchos) in the LXX. Or "little-souled". "little-minded" "lowly-minded"

 2013/12/7 19:06









 Re:

Quote:
"O LORD, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, our fathers, preserve this forever in the intentions(dianoia) of the heart(kardia) of Your people, and direct their heart(kardia) to You;
(1 Chronicles 29:18 NASB)



'intentions/imagination of the thoughts/conception of the contrivance' of the heart

gets translated into "'dianoia' kardia" or "mind of the heart"

Quote:

O LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, our fathers, keep this forever in the imagination(H3336, yêtser) of the thoughts(H4284, machăshâbâh) of the heart(lêbâb) of thy people, and prepare their heart(lêbâb)
1 Chronicles 29:18 (IHOT+)



Quote:

H3336
יצר
yêtser
yay'-tser
From H3335; a form; figuratively conception (that is, purpose): - frame, thing framed, imagination, mind, work.

H4284
מחשׁבת מחשׁבה
machăshâbâh machăshebeth
makh-ash-aw-baw', makh-ash-eh'-beth
From H2803; a contrivance, that is, (concretely) a texture, machine, or (abstractly) intention, plan (whether bad, a plot; or good, advice): - cunning (work), curious work, device (-sed), imagination, invented, means, purpose, thought.


 2013/12/7 19:45









 Re:

edit:moved post

 2013/12/7 19:54





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