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Christinyou
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 Re: A response...

I think if laying down my life for Christ is necessary, then the Holy Spirit must speak to me and make the timing and method God's timing not mine.

Jesus by the Spirit, none could touch Him until His time had come.

As to being a terrorist, when the end comes, yes we will be terrorist' to the unbelieving world that is hiding in caves because of the wrath of God.

The big question is, is God a terrorist? Now what do we do?

In Christ: Phillip


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 2013/9/11 20:07Profile
Jeremy221
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 Re: Are Christians Terrorists?

The issue of 'loving one's country' is a heresy that has existed in the Church for a long time. It is the reiteration of the other common lie of associating the Church with a building and not the people. Both of those lies sit on top of yet a third that beggars them in importance, that of the New Jerusalem. If you can make either of the first claims and justify them to your conscience as though they were real, you demonstrate that your home is not with God where righteousness dwells but on the Earth that is ruled by the Powers of the Air. Are you really a pilgrim? Are you sick of the corruption that is not new under the sun because it is happening in 'your country?' Or are you grieved at it looking for the return of the King?

If you carry any patriotism, nationalism or political ambition, be aware, you are fighting for the wrong kingdom. Our loyalty is to God to listen to and obey His word and not to fear men who can only destroy the body. Christ told us to expect to be treated as He was and they got Him by the charge of 'threatening to destroy the Temple'. They also saw Him as a threat to their political power because people were following Him, a man who did not respect the opinions of men but only did the will of His Father in moment by moment obedience. Lets share in the testimony of our brethren in Acts who rejoiced to be counted worthy to suffer for Christ's sake.

Blessings on you sister.

 2013/9/11 20:51Profile
rjennings
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Jeremy,

I respectfully disagree with your assessment that patriotism is evil. God made a covenant with Abraham to provide him with a land dedicated to him and his offspring in Genesis 12. It was a land provided by God for a people who would love Him. I, likewise, believe God provided this great land to our forefathers as a nation who would honor Him. Has either nation followed God faithfully from their establishment? We know the answer to that one and we also know that a nation established by God who fails to walk according to His statutes will fall under severe judgment to the extent they will cease to be a nation at all. Regardless, does this retract God’s provision? No, and woe those who failed to not only honor God but the land He provided for them, just read Joel 3.

Great men of God through time were not also greatly in love God but great patriots. One only needs to look at Dietrich Bonhoeffer as an example. He obviously lived in the midst one of the most tyrannical regimes in human history but regardless of how devastated he was to see Germany fall into the hands of an evil dictator he fought for its freedom until his death.

‘No doubt Bonhoeffer was a great patriot and he loved his country so much that he preferred death to safety. But he was also too astute a political analyst not to see that Germany would be engulfed in the coming catastrophe. The fanatical devilish forces with National Socialism left no alternative. They were aiming at the destruction of Germany as a European and Christian country. By planned political action he hoped to avoid this tragic disaster. As he used to say: it is not only my task to look after the victims of madmen who drives a motorcar in a crowded street, but to do all in my power to stop their driving at all.’

Memoir by G. Leibholz in Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship, 1961 edition, 27-28

Yes, we are sojourners just passing through (1 Peter 2:11, Hebrews 11:8) but let us walk in great gratitude for that in which God has honored us and weep bitterly over her waywardness. It is you and I, brother, who are caretakers of the land, not the politicians in Washington or the economists on Wall Street or Hollywood. And, I believe we will pay a heavy price for not acknowledging our responsibility and fighting with every ounce of strength we have for her revival. 2 Chronicles 7:14 doesn’t end solely with the promise of spiritual healing of a people but the land as well because God knows we can’t live peaceably in this world as a godly people without the land is also blessed. We cannot abstract ourselves as Christians from our surroundings but significantly impact our surroundings. Let’s turn our world upside down for Jesus!

Blessings


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Rick

 2013/9/12 7:46Profile
havok20x
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Jeremy221,

"The issue of 'loving one's country' is a heresy that has existed in the Church for a long time. It is the reiteration of the other common lie of associating the Church with a building and not the people. Both of those lies sit on top of yet a third that beggars them in importance, that of the New Jerusalem. If you can make either of the first claims and justify them to your conscience as though they were real, you demonstrate that your home is not with God where righteousness dwells but on the Earth that is ruled by the Powers of the Air."

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Please show me this in scripture.

I do agree about the building idea, but being political is not condemned in scripture. Paul used his citizenship to his advantage. May I not do the same?

 2013/9/12 9:02Profile









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Fred Phelps is an example of a "Christian" Terrorist.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

 2013/9/12 12:02
ginnyrose
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Fred Phelps and his family is an embarrassment to peace-loving folks. I cringe whenever I read that his family in on the warpath again...


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Sandra Miller

 2013/9/12 15:38Profile
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 Re: Are Christians Terrorists?

I just got done listening to Bro. Edgar Reich sermon "Preparing the Body of Christ for Persecution." Interesting how he touched on some of the issues I shared. I would encourage one and all to take a listen.


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Sandra Miller

 2013/9/12 16:41Profile
murrcolr
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Quote: The issue of 'loving one's country' is a heresy that has existed in the Church for a long time.

I disagree with that as I see it as a Anti-Christ teaching.

New Age Agenda: This agenda is nothing less than the complete revolutionizing of the very foundations of not only America but the entire world. Such a plan calls for the total restructuring of planetary civilization into an enlightened One World Federation in which national boundaries and sovereignty are secondary, and 'planetary citizenship' in the 'global village' is the order of the day.

Quote: If you carry any patriotism, nationalism or political ambition, be aware, you are fighting for the wrong kingdom.

That's exactly what we will be told by New World Order, I totally disagree with what you say.


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Colin Murray

 2013/9/12 17:44Profile
rjennings
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I listened to brother Edgar's message and was challenged by it but I heard nothing that promoted patriotism as evil. God made a covenant with Abraham to provide him with a land dedicated to him and his offspring in Genesis 12. It was a land provided by God for a people who would love Him. I likewise believe God provided this great land to our forefathers as a nation who would honor Him. Has either nation followed God faithfully from their establishment? We know the answer to that one and we also know that a nation established by God who fails to walk according to His statutes will fall under severe judgment to the extent they will cease to be a nation at all. Regardless, does this retract God's provision? No, and woe to those who fail to not only honor God but the land provided them, as we read in Joel 3.

Great men of God through time were not only greatly in love with God but great patriots also. One only needs to look at Dietrich Bonhoeffer as an example. He obviously lived in the midst of one of the most tyrannical regimes in human history but regardless of how devastated he was to see Germany fall into the hands of an evil dictator he fought for its freedom until his death.

"No doubt Bonhoeffer was a great patriot and he loved his country so much that he preferred death to safety. But he was also too astute a political analyst not to see that Germany would be engulfed in the coming catastrophe. The fanatical devilish forces with National Socialism left no alternative. They were aiming at the destruction of Germany as a European and Christian country. By planned political action he hoped to avoid this tragic disaster. As he used to say; it is not only my task to look after the victims of madmen who drives a motorcar in a crowded street, but to do all in my power to stop their driving at all."

Memoir by G. Leibholz in Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship, 1961 edition, 27-28

Yes, we are sojourners just passing through (1 Peter 2:11, Hebrews 11:8) but let us walk in great gratitude for that which God has honored us with and weep bitterly over her waywardness. It is you and I, dear brothers and sisters, who are caretakers of the land before God, not the politicians in Washington or the economists on Wall Street or Hollywood. And, I believe we will pay a heavy price for not acknowledging our responsibility and fighting with every ounce of strength we have for her revival. 2 Chronicles 7:14 doesn't end solely with the promise of spiritual healing of a people but the land is also blessed. We cannot abstract ourselves as Christians from our surroundings but are called to significantly impact them. As the early church turned their world upside down for Jesus, let us do likewise!

Blessings


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Rick

 2013/9/13 14:37Profile
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 Re: Phelps

For what it is worth, the Phelps gang is little more than a money machine that works like this. Totally without human souls, they look for heart-string situations where they can make inflammatory noise and hopefully draw enough physical response to prompt a lawsuit. They always film their activities closely so that when some biker throws a punch, they can start a legal action. Sometimes these are settled out of court for some big bucks, and they begin their trolling for the next one.

The "Christian" connection just helps fuel their shtick, but they are equal opportunity irritators. They apparently showed up in Prescott AZ a while back to insult the families of the 19 firefighters who were lost in a fire, I was with a group of bikers doing a flag line, the authorities apparently kept them away from us. I was looking forward to a little action...?

Anyway, they are not Christian in any form we would recognize. Best to ignore their antics.


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