2Th_2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned – Seven Countries In Five Years (Syria Included)

You can read about what was said (further down) by Wesley Clark or listen to him on this video.

http://libertycrier.com/general-wesley-clark-wars-planned-seven-countries-five-years-syria-included/?utm_source=The+Liberty+Crier&utm_campaign=e96c4889a4-The_Liberty_Crier_Daily_News_8_26_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_600843dec4-e96c4889a4-284769549&doing_wp_cron=1377570555.8915240764617919921875

"Because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”

So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?”

He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”

It does not appear to me that the wars are going as planned...what do you think? Or, is the non-winning of wars part of the plan?

After 9/11 our pastor said something that I thought was really off the wall but time proved him right. He said, "Just you wait and see: while the tide currently is anti-Muslim, it will do a complete turn around..." It did and it did not take long.

Weird things happening, in my opinion.

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Sandra Miller

Yes, I agree. Men can plan/conspire but things often do not turn out exactly the way they want. Your post reminds me of some verses in Psalm 2.

Psa 2:1-5 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

I thought it was interesting that General Wesley Clark drew the comparison between Africa and the Mideast, bringing our attention to the fact that we are never in Africa waging war but always in the Mideast. And the reason, he noted was OIL.

He failed to mention that sometimes, it was about Israel.

General Clark has never been my favorite source of reliable perspective, but that aside, no one could possibly have planned the chaos that passes for American foreign policy these days. The culprits appear to be President Jim Beam and Senator Jack Daniels.

There are so many considerations involved in deciding who to fight and where to fight them, and who besides the immediate target will join the fray after the first shots are fired. The current president seems to think that he can carefully insert a pin into the Middle-east balloon and let some of the air out slowly. He is a very inexperienced leader who is reluctant to learn to be effective in his exalted position- the indecision is causing a global collapse in American credibility, and we are yet to see where this will lead. He really needs the counsel of men who hold opposing views- he is apparently surrounded by yes men who don't know any more than he does.

I am appalled that after 2 1/2 years of deadly civil war in Syria and now that poison gas has been used, some moral authority has come to the President to commit an act of war against Syria. And his inability to present a credible positive outcome has a lot of people on the nervous edge of their seats.

The joke in the sixties was "What if they threw a war and nobody came?"

Now when they throw a war everybody comes and nobody goes home.


I suggest we throw a prayer, and pray that God shows up... soon!

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Tom Cameron

Wars are usually planned around fear and greed and almost never go as planned, except that people die. The one waging war will always try to show how moral they are for waging war when in fact, they are puppets of some very rich people and/or companies who are afraid of losing their riches and whatever control they have.

We don't even know how much news we hear is really fabricated, unless we know someone personally that came out of a war and we can talk to them. Eyewitnesses are important. TV news can be anything they want it to be and most people believe it.

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This is the same conclusion I have come to: it is all about power and money which brings me to another question: how can a Christian rightfully engage or participate in such a conflict? The warmongers have to moralize the issue in order to get people willing to lay down their lives for them...

I also suspect there are new technological inventions out there that are begging to be marketed, so let us sell it to the armament industry...It does disturb me that the economy in the county north of us is largely driven by the armament/military industry. Let it be defunded and you will have a major depression...too many people are profiting financially by war.

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Sandra Miller

"Beware the military industrial complex" is what Eisenhower said.

Ginny, what do you think about those who defend themselves? For instance, the Israeli army? Or, to be more specific, Believers in the Israeli Army. Do you believe there can be Believers in their Army who may be blessed of God?

I agree with everything you have said so far. Warmongers always seem to be able to moralize their position in a war. And yes, it is important to do that, so "good people" will come forth and fight their wars, thinking they are on the side of nobility. Muslims think they are fighting for the cause of God. Moralizing war is something that all sides seem to do.

There are so many aspects of war, and why they are planned and executed. Historically, Party A wants something Party B refuses to give- and after some consideration, Party A contrives a force with which it can get what it wants.

But Party B, if it is wise, is aware of Party A's intentions and contrives a plan of defense.

In all of this, money is spent and people get rich. While others are thrust into the machine to fight it out. I have been there.

I am not against war, even though in my day I was able to serve as a Conscientious Objector. (This did not prevent my being in the battle, but I was not expected to be personally charged with killing the enemy. Yes I have war stories!)

But I came to realize that the rules of war are decided by the "Party A" types who initiate conflict trying to get what they want. If Party B types want to keep what they have, they need to arm up with sufficient defense to keep Party A at bay.

Pretty simple at this level. In America, old, honorable America, weapons were developed, tested, stored and deployed for defensive purposes.

Even our nuclear arsenal was painstakingly engineered to be radiation safe after use, so that following a nuclear strike people would not be endangered by residual radiation. The Soviets didn't spend money on this consideration, their stuff is horribly dirty, and if they ever drop one in anger there will be long term radiation in that area.

It is the prerogative of a righteous people to maintain a defense sufficient to counter the threats around them, whether it is national or personal. The American Second Amendment, ridiculed and hated world wide, was born of righteous and rational people with a simple desire to live in peace without threats. But it does cost money.

As America drifts away from these principles of righteousness and self defense, who knows where we end up?

Please Mr. President, don't shoot at Syria as a Party A aggressor. There is nothing to gain but a collection of painful regrets.

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Tom Cameron