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Rahman
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 Re: THE REVELATION: An Online Discussion ... Chap. 1-3 ...



Brother Jimm ...

In reference to what you've posted click on the link below and read the entire commentary on 1 Kings 22 ...

Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible:
F I R S T K I N G S
CHAP. XXII.
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/mhc/MHC11022.HTM

[b](v. 19, 20) - And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. [/b]

Micaiah informed the king how it was that all his prophets encouraged him to proceed, that God permitted Satan by them to deceive him into his ruin, and he by vision knew of it; it was represented to him, and he represented it to Ahab, that the God of heaven had determined he should fall at Ramoth-Gilead ... that the favour he had wickedly shown to Ben-hadad might be punished by him and his Syrians, and that he being in some doubt whether he should go to Ramoth-Gilead or no, and resolving to be advised by his prophets, they should persuade him to it and prevail ...

[b](v. 21, 22) - And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. [/b]

... and hence it was that they encouraged him with so much assurance ... (((This is my own personal thought but the lying spirit before the throne of God i think to be satan since he is the only lying spirit allowed before His throne ... When we read the scripture we find that Micaiah spoke the same lie to Ahab but in such a sarcastic way as to let Ahab know that it was far from the truth ))) ...

[b](v. 23) - Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.[/b]

... it was a lie from the father of lies, but by divine permission. This matter is here represented after the manner of men. We are not to imagine that God is ever put upon new counsels, or is ever at a loss for means whereby to effect his purposes, nor that he needs to consult with angels, or any creature, about the methods he should take, nor that he is the author of sin or the cause of any man's either telling or believing a lie; but, besides what was intended by this with reference to Ahab himself, it is to teach us ...

(1.) That God is a great king above all kings, and has a throne above all the thrones of earthly princes. "You have your thrones," said Micaiah to these two kings, "and you think you may do what you will, and we must all say as you would have us; but I saw the Lord sitting upon his throne, and every man's judgment proceeding from him, and therefore I must say as he says; he is not a man, as you are."

(2.) That he is continually attended and served by an innumerable company of angels, those heavenly hosts, who stand by him, ready to go where he sends them and to do what he bids them, messengers of mercy on his right hand, of wrath on his left hand.

(3.) That he not only takes cognizance of, but presides over, all the affairs of this lower world, and overrules them according to the counsel of his own will. The rise and fall of princes, the issues of war, and all the great affairs of state, which are the subject of the consultations of wise and great men, are no more above God's direction than the meanest concerns of the poorest cottages are below his notice.

(4.) That God has many ways of bringing about his own counsels, particularly concerning the fall of sinners when they are ripe for ruin; he can do it either in this manner or in that manner.

(5.) That there are malicious and lying spirits which go about continually seeking to devour, and, in order to that, seeking to deceive, and especially to put lies into the mouths of prophets, by them to entice many to their destruction.

(6.) It is not without the divine permission that the devil deceives men, and even thereby God serves his own purposes. With him are strength and wisdom, the deceived and the deceivers are his, Job xii. 16. When he pleases, for the punishment of those who receive not the truth in the love of it, he not only lets Satan loose to deceive them (Rev. xx. 7, 8), but gives men up to strong delusions to believe him, 2 Thess. ii. 11, 12.

(7.) Those are manifestly marked for ruin that are thus given up. God has certainly spoken evil concerning those whom he had given up to be imposed upon by lying prophets. Thus Micaiah gave Ahab fair warning, not only of the danger of proceeding in this war, but of the danger of believing those that encouraged him to proceed. Thus we are warned to beware of false prophets, and to try the spirits; the lying spirit never deceives so fatally as in the mouth of prophets.

 2005/3/30 11:07Profile
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 Re: THE REVELATION: An Online Discussion ... Chap. 1-3 ...


Brother Dave you wrote;
"I myself see this book, The Revelation, as a book of hope, not destruction".


i see it as both ... Hope for me (and all my fellow saints) ... And total destruction to everthing else that is not found in God's favor ... i find The Revelation a great opening salvo towards witnessing to folk enamoured by such sagas as "The Lord of the Rings", "Star Wars" and "The Matrix" ... i begin by telling them, "The last book of the Bible puts such story lines to shame, and unlike them it's true"! ... Once Holy Spirit has a type of unbeliever capable of being hooked by The Revelation that person can be dragged all the way back to Genesis, then on to the Gospels, wide eyed at the correlation ... And even tho such a person might not be ready to recieve Christ right then, a seed has been planted that over time may be just what Holy Spirit ordered to the bringing of that one in somewhere down the pike ...

You continued;
"re: the seven spirits. Could this be a reference to the seven-fold ministry of the Holy Spirit? Take a look at Isaiah 11:2 and let me know what you think".


Praise God! ...

Isa.11
[2] And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.

i remember a sermon i heard some time back where the pastor was giving a rundown on the meaning of "numbers" in scripture like for "emphasis God stresses things in threes" John 21:15-17 ... "that 10 represents human/earthly completeness" Rev. 2:10 ... "40 represents cleansing" Gen. 7:12 ... And that "7 represents Godly,spiritual completness" which the Revelation is full of ... 7 angels/pastors ... 7 lampstands/churches ... Christ having 7 eyes ... God's wrath being poured out to His completion via 7 trumpets, vials and bowls ... So i have come to believe the seven Spirits of God to denote the completion of the one Holy Spirit in His 7 most important functions for the Father via His Word ...

You might find these two websites interesting in this regard ...

http://www.eadshome.com/sevenspirits.htm
http://www.reaping-rewards.com/spirits.html

His grace and perfect peace to you brother Dave!

Br. R

 2005/3/30 11:28Profile
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 Re: CHURCH 1 - EPHESUS ...



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 Re: CHURCH 2 - SMYRNA ...


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