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savannah
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 Does God love the unrepentant sinner?

Does God love the unrepentant sinner?

by Charles Finney, from "The Guilt of Sin"

"God is angry with the wicked every day!" Psalm 7:11

God is not angry merely against the sin abstracted from the sinner, but against the sinner himself! Some people have labored hard to set up this ridiculous and absurd generalization, and would attempt to make it appear . . .
that God is angry at sin--yet not at the sinner;
that He hates the theft--but loves the thief;
that He abhors adultery--but is pleased with the adulterer.

Now this is supreme nonsense! The sin has no moral character apart from the sinner. The act of sin is nothing, apart from the sinful actor. What God hates and disapproves is not the mere event, the thing done, in distinction from the doer--but He hates the doer himself! It grieves and displeases Him that a rational and moral agent, under His government, should array himself against his own Creator, against all that is right and just in the universe. This is what offends God. The sinner himself is the direct and the only object of His anger!

So the Bible shows that God is angry with the wicked--and not with the abstract sin. If the wicked do no repent, God will whet His sword--He has bent His bow and made it ready--not to shoot at the sin, but the sinner--the wicked man who has done the abominable thing. This is the only doctrine of both the Bible, and of common sense on this subject.

"The wicked and those who love violence, His soul hates!" Psalm 11:5

"The LORD detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished!" Proverbs 16:5

"The LORD is a jealous and avenging God; the LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The LORD takes vengeance on His foes and maintains His wrath against His enemies!" Nahum 1:2

"Whoever whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." John 3:36

"You are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when His righteous judgment will be revealed." Romans 2:5

"But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil--there will be wrath and anger!" Romans 2:8

"What if God, choosing to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the objects of His wrath--prepared for destruction?" Romans 9:22

"Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient." Ephesians 5:6

 2013/6/24 23:18Profile
proudpapa
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 Re: Does God love the unrepentant sinner?

Hi savannah,

are you in agreement or disagreement with Finney on this subject ?



 2013/6/24 23:38Profile
savannah
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 Re: subject

in agreement!

 2013/6/24 23:52Profile
rbanks
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John 3:16 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 5:8 (KJV)
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

 2013/6/24 23:59Profile
rbanks
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1 John 4:10 (KJV)
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

1 John 4:19 (KJV)
19 We love him, because he first loved us.

 2013/6/25 0:02Profile
savannah
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 Re: we us our

rbanks,

Who are the we's,us's,and our's,in these verses?

1 John 4:10 (KJV)
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

1 John 4:19 (KJV)
19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Romans 5:8 (KJV)
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.


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proudpapa
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Hi, rbanks

I do not think anything that was written, contridicts the verses that you posted.

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rbanks
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 Re: Does God love the unrepentant sinner?

quote-
that He hates the theft--but loves the thief;
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I agree with much of Finney's writings but if we are not careful we could misinterpret.

Jesus appeased the wrath of God by suffering in the sinners place.

The "us" in all those verses at one time were sinners who had not yet repented.

 2013/6/25 0:23Profile
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///Who are the we's,us's,and our's,in these verses?///


Those whom were enemies of God, but now are 'reconciled to God by the death of his Son'

 2013/6/25 0:25Profile
rbanks
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Those whom were enemies of God, but now are 'reconciled to God by the death of his Son'

-quote


So he had to love us before we repented.

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