I did some googling on Dr. Michael L. Brown. As far as I can discern his academic credentials are credible. Yes. He has made some goofs as pertains to Brownsville. But then John MacArthur carries credible academic credentials. And he denies the sign gifts. At least the sign gifts working in this day. Academic credentials are good. But remember the apostles themselves were "uneducated and untrained men". Yet these men had been with Jesus Good question to ask if any servant if God. Are they with Jesus.My thoughts.Bearmaster.
oh no.why? why? why?of all the ever darkening news I read, that just keeps getting darker and darker, more evil, cold and fell. I think this, right here, is probably the worst thing I've read.what is John MacArthur doing? When you have a prominent evangelical leader firing a full cannon broadside at a part of the Body in times like this....we are surely headed for some very dark times, and I pose this question...is John MacArthur REALLY doing the Work of God?....and honoring the Blood of the Lamb?this is just the worst news IMAGINABLE.Some one brought up Len Ravenhill....well fyi, Michael Brown sat at the feet of Len as a student AND brother AND friend...as far as Michael Brown being head theologian for the Brownsville AoG, and then president of the "Brownsville School of Revival:....did anyone know WHY Michael left that post?...because from what I read, he didn't want to be AoG ordained, and they drew a line in the sand, and said, you HAVE to be "AoG credentialed"....reasons?...I don't know.I know this, Michael Brown has been a mentor to me from afar, and encouraged me, because he too, is a fellow Hebrew in the flesh, and when he speaks and teaches about Messiah, Crucified, Resurrected....these teaching resonate with me, they feel very familiar, and God bless Michael for having the sand to call John MacArthur out on this dreadfully injurious verbiage...it borders on ecclesiastical "suicide"....could it be, and i'm not trying to be cute or cheeky..but could it be some form of Alzheimer's on MacArthur's part?you know brethren, personally, we've had huge breakthru's in my family, and this morning I awoke with such Joy and Shalom Peace, Grace, Wholeness and Love, the Kind only God the Holy Spirit can engender....and I would NEVER TELL any of them, about this TERRIBLE WITNESS....they will NEVER hear about this article or MacArthur's new onus, if I can help it...they need "milk" right now! not 'sour grapes' or 'bitumen'!why doesn't MacArthur speak out against the roman "church"?...and I don't wish ANY offense against dear beloved brothers here, who were freed from that bondage, but if wants to fire fusillades of cannon fire, there's a target. Rome is cuddling up with the UN and the EU. i'm well aware elements of the AoG have cuddled up to American imperial and military aspirants...ohhhhh.i'm just going to stuff my gullet with microwaved taquitos and try and fall back asleep, and maybe pretend this never happened...at the very least, i'll just restart the day, recognizing that God is God. Master of the Universe, He has all this nonsense well in hand, and is perfectly Able to make things right....amen.
This is very common language for the reformed and calvinist camps, One does not need to be very well read in Luther and Calvin to relieze how often they called anyone whom differed from them theology as blasphemers,Thankfully we no longer have the consistory condeming with persecution all whom differ with their theology and mandating us to attend their sermons weekly and mandating us to recitation by memory the pater and credo and other recited prayers and confessions.
If these charges are true, this means that many leaders in the charismatic movement have committed the unpardonable sin and are therefore hell-bound. If these charges are not true, Pastor MacArthur has seriously overstepped his bounds and misused the Word of God.
Quote-I rather think Mr MacArthur is better informed than we believe him to be. If we by reason of his secessionist position, imagine that he is ignorant of spiritual realities then we are become his judge and in that fools-Quote AndrewAndrew, who has stated what you have supposed. Nobody has stated that he wasn't informed on spiritual things. The problem is that a cessationist is lacking in the fullness of the Holy Spirit in operation is his life by his own admission.cessationist -someone who believes that certain works of the Holy Spirit have ceased nouna temporary or complete stopping; discontinuance: a cessation of the Holy Spirits workingActs 18:24-26Ministry of Apollos Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.Now Andrew how can he truly be able to accurately discern on the operation of the Holy Spirit when he by his own admission has not experienced nor will except certain works of the Holy Spirit as being for our day. That which is perfect has not come yet and we still only know in part as the Holy Spirit reveals to us. Now if one thinks that he is complete in his experience but has not experienced what multitudes of others have experienced how can he truly know what is of God and what is not.Now if you truly don't want people to end up as fools to believe that McArthur is complete in his experience and that he is well qualified to explain to us the way of the Holy Spirit more perfectly than I don't see your argument.Blessings...from brother rbanks
There is a great little book written by John Sherrill entitled THEY SPEAK WITH OTHER TONGUES. John Sherrill is, along with his wife Elizabeth, the co-author of many well-known Christian biographies and auto-biographies -- including THE CROSS AND THE SWITCHBLADE with David Wilkerson, GOD'S SMUGGLER with Brother Andrew and THE HIDING PLACE with Corrie ten Boom. At the time that he wrote the book, Mr. Sherrill was a somewhat skeptical yet open-minded magazine reporter researching the Pentecostal, Charismatic and "Jesus" movements. His research was extensive. He did a great job of detailing the history of the Pentecostal movement and even notes the differences between "classical pentecostals" and "charismatics" (although I think that the definitions may have changed or become blurred over time). The book provides some interesting accounts of the modern Pentecostal movement including historic anecdotes from Topeka, Kansas, Azusa Street and other revivals. Sherrill was also able to gather input from David Wilkerson, Catherine Marshall and even others. More importantly, it is written mostly as an autobiography by the author as he developed his own perspective from Scripture, history, the experiences of others and, finally, his own experiences.I recommend this book. It is an easy, quick read and can provide some valuable insight into the issue from "the outside looking in." Even though the book is old (originally published in 1964 although it may have been updated), it is one of my favorite books on the subject. I do appreciate the warnings about "wild fire" or "strange fire" from men like John MacArthur or even Dave Hunt though I am convinced of the place and use of spiritual gifts today. http://www.elizabethsherrill.com/they-speak-with-other-tongues-book-desc.htmlhttp://www.amazon.com/They-Speak-Other-Tongues-Sherrill/dp/0800793595/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371925780&sr=8-1&keywords=they+speak+with+other+tongues
_________________Christopher
Now Andrew how can he truly be able to accurately discern on the operation of the Holy Spirit when he by his own admission has not experienced nor will except certain works of the Holy Spirit as being for our day. That which is perfect has not come yet and we still only know in part as the Holy Spirit reveals to us. Now if one thinks that he is complete in his experience but has not experienced what multitudes of others have experienced how can he truly know what is of God and what is not.Now if you truly don't want people to end up as fools to believe that McArthur is complete in his experience and that he is well qualified to explain to us the way of the Holy Spirit more perfectly than I don't see your argument. rbanks
Andrew,On another thought maybe this will be good for McArthur and others also because it could cause him to experience of the Holy Spirit in a way that he hasn't before.This could be one of his greatest challenges, and God could enlighten him on some things lacking in his understanding and also help others who are lacking in discernment. I do believe that McArthur has a measure of the Holy Spirit and a deapth of the "Word" to be able to discern the many errors that many have fallen into.Hopefully he want bash the true things he doesn't understand but use caution in the exercise of true spiritual discernment showing from scripture, which he has a great knowledge of, the false and deceptive spirits that too many have been so gullibly duped in the excepting.of doctrines of demons.Blessings..from brother rbanks
On another thought maybe this will be good for McArthur and others also because it could cause him to experience of the Holy Spirit in a way that he hasn't before. rbanks
one of the best sermons I saw of john MacArthur was preached at greg lauries church ,,he is basically a Pentecostal ,,,he an most of the church received him well ,and he preached to them as brethren exhorting them butafully ,,,,,,I don't no if any one has seen that sermon but it was worth watching I big mistake that ;Pentecostals charismatics make ,,is thinking we are more spiritual that others who have not recived certain gifts ,,,,,most of us toung talker would not come close to the john weaslys ,witfields Edwards branheard who never spoke in toungs or prophesied in the fresh scenc of speaking a thus says the lord paul did imply with a question ,that not everyone spoke in toungs or prophesied ,,,,,unless one experience those gifts it remains very hard to except especially if one is taught that they have ceased what is evident iv noticed ,,is that many pentacostals carsamatics ,, don't except prophecies that are givern saying that the old testament prophecy was different ,and new testament prophecy means to exhort and preach the word,,,so they are partial secessionist in that scenc ,,,,I read an article of zac poonan that suggested this and many secessionists believe god still heals and performs miracles according to his will .they just don't believe that a person welds the power to heal or perform miracles,,,,,,,,,,,,,i personly see the sound Pentecostal charismatic and the sound secessionist as being on the same spiritual ground blessings