a-servant wrote:KJB wicked ..His ways are always GRIEVOUSNIV wicked ..His ways are always prosperousNKJV wicked ..His ways are always prosperingESV wicked ..His ways prosper at all timesHCSB wicked ..His ways are always secure========================Obviously the KJV got it wrong here. Why is that so hard to accept? The psalmist here is lamenting the pride of the wicked and asking that the Lord intervene. He does not understand why the Lord allows them to prosper. In the context of the passage it is clear that "grievous" is the wrong translation. If the wicked's ways were grievous, then the psalmist would not be complaining.There are other places where KJV clearly got it wrong. There are other places in the Bible that say that the wicked prosper despite their wickedness, so why should this translation be surprising?
_________________Todd
brother, you wrote this (partial quote)
Ah it's Bible Babel time again and why we must tolerate all renderings as God's truth, Ok, then let's rather find harmony in opposing views than being divisive, which "version of truth" should I believe?
....good starter to grasp why the NIV and the Vatican have more things in common than I previously thought:Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB are the new "Vatican Versions"http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htmIsn't it wonderful they all agree with each other by actual contract?
As cynical as it sounds ...The bible is still the worlds No1 best selling book. There are dollars to be made. Not that that is necessarily the reason for mass huge production ...and newer versions ..being constantly introduced into the market (now to think that would be cynical) So The NIV finally out trumps the KJV in sales(you kjv only people oughta watch out now ) the NIV is on a roll ...a runaway train - and unstoppable (is that irony sarcasm that is maginally allowable)KJV people only should finally relent and fall on there sword:Its all over ...finished!outgrossed in sales (time to get with the program you kjv only folks)This is a sign ...of the times ( i reckon)KJV Bible ...your days are numbered:Sales = truth = bigger is always betterThe gauge of all correctness: Indeed.So when did sales revenue or copies sold ever become the barometer or bastian of truth upon which we determine which is the right way?(and therefore walk ye in it)??
_________________Bro Stephen
The problem is that KJV only-ists cannot admit they are wrong.A Bible teacher I really admire teaches from KJV and he does think it is a superior translation but even he will admit when the KJV misses it.
HezWellings wrote ////Who/whom do i obey?....you and the folks at "brandplucked dot com".....or God the Holy Spirit?its a very simple question, but i beg you, be very careful how and what you answer, if you do indeed answer that simple question.May God bless you and your kin abundantly with His Mercy, Grace, Love in Jesus Messiah, is my prayer, amen,. neil////I myself do not know what brandplucked dot com is. and I do not care. Their are several pro KJB peoples whom do more damage and do very little other than invite mockery on us whom believe that God in His Sovereignty has the ability and the power and indeed has inspired the very Jot and tittle that He wiches for our generation to have. ( the extreme minute details of the scripture, surely where not included just for the original autographs.)Just because some give a belief a bad wrap, this does not in anyway nullify it's truth.For instance, just because kent hovind believes in Christian Creationism and speaks boldly out about it and has in many ways brought mockery upon the creationist, this does not nollify the facts of Creationism.and I could go on with many like examples HezWellings wrote /// okay, the Bible i just "came out of" is an ESV, and i know that i know, i am filled with God the Holy Spirit, because everytime i open that Precious Word, i humbly ask the Father, "please fill me with your Holy Spirit, so that i dont merely "read" This Word, with my human eyes".///I have read several statements by ESV translators and affiliates such as Dr.Wayne Grudem whom are very opposed to the methods and the lack of accuracy of the NIV. John Piper said that he 'would be happy to see the NIV sail into the sunset... ' HezWellings wrote RE: ///"please fill me with your Holy Spirit, so that i dont merely "read" This Word, with my human eyes"./// HezWellings wrote RE: ////Who/whom do i obey?....you and the folks at "brandplucked dot com".....or God the Holy Spirit?its a very simple question, but i beg you, be very careful how and what you answer, if you do indeed answer that simple question.////What do you hear or feel when you get to Matthew 17:21 ?or acts 8:37 ?
PP I like that parayer. Lord, please fill me with your Spirit so that I do not read your word with merely human eyes. Very lovely. One I will pray.The Bear.
In the not to distant future when the remnant is meeting underground and all translations of the Bible are declared politically incorrect and illegal. I think we will welcome any encouragement from the scriptures irregardless of the translation. Somehow I do not see the KJV vs NIV conversations as having any meaning under persecution.My thoughts.Bearmaster.
Hi TMKTMK wrote ///The problem is that KJV only-ists cannot admit they are wrong.A Bible teacher I really admire teaches from KJV and he does think it is a superior translation but even he will admit when the KJV misses it.///I am not a Christian because I have intellectually been convinced that Christianity is supiour to all the other religions of the world. I am a Christian because of the inward certainty within me. likewise I am not a Bible beliver because of the rational arguments that are presented in the positions defence. I am a Bible believer because of the inward certainty within me.
bear wrote //PP I like that parayer. Lord, please fill me with your Spirit so that I do not read your word with merely human eyes. Very lovely. One I will pray.The Bear.//That was HezWellings prayer, I was just responding to him, But agreed that is a very lovely prayer to pray before studing the Bible.
bearmaster wrote ////In the not to distant future when the remnant is meeting underground and all translations of the Bible are declared politically incorrect and illegal. I think we will welcome any encouragement from the scriptures irregardless of the translation. Somehow I do not see the KJV vs NIV conversations as having any meaning under persecution.My thoughts.Bearmaster.////With more than 450 million copies of the NIV alone in print. and reliezing that the Bible business is a 400-600 million dollar business and with elitist like Rupert Murdoch whom have so much to continue to financially gain from the business. I personaly doubt that we will see the Bible being outlawed in any near time future. More likely we are going to see the direction that the translations and the Church are already on, to start to move more and more rapidly. And that is further away from the specifics of the scripture and more and more into generalizations, in which all of the various christian religions will melt together.
