PP to the best of my knowledge Corrue Ten Boon remained in Holland where she died. She ministered with Brother Andrew who was also a fellow dutbman.

Richard Wormbrandt was redeemed from Rumanian prison for 15;000 dollars and was later brought to America.

You are aware that the Anabaptist believed they were citizens of a heavenly kingdom?

Bearmasterr

The point of the article is that the Church in America was given a gift to be able to serve Christ in political freedom. Before America most people lived under tyranny. The freedom that was passed down to us for most people in the world that live under communist rule they would think they have died and went to heaven. The Christian faith is a total world view that a real Christian lives life through the prism of the Bible. So everything he does is according to the word of God. His marriage, his family, his recreation, his money his community and his government. Spiritual, Physical, Mental Financial Social. Christianity addresses all these areas. As a Christian you are held accountable for all these areas by God. To much is given much will be required. The American was given political Freedom to serve Christ and to evanglize the rest of the world, to set the captives free. America was to help evangelize countries and then pass on a Constitutional Republic to those nations so with dilligence they could enjoy those same liberties that was passed on to us. Up through 1800s we were a strong vibrant Christian nation that honored God from the Top down, as a result we were blessed. But something happened. While the American Christian church was floating around in the 2nd Heaven, they seemed to of forgot that they were responsible for the Spiritual tone down here on Earth. Especially in America. Well, one of the temporal things we were responsible for was our political freedom so we could be free to advance the Gospel to other nations The American Church was to stand in the Gap pray for our leaders and keep a close tab on what our government did and when we saw things that were contrary to the Word of God it was to be shouted from the roof tops and stopped in it's tracks and it wouldn't be long till the wayward one would be removed from office. Up to the 1900s every election cycle half the congress was usually voted out. Just think, the process of making the laws of the land either righteous laws or unrighteous law and what does the Church say "We don't get involved in that"
Well since you don't get involved in that you got alot of blood on your hands because you were supposed to be involved in that. It'was called being a citizen in Heaven and Earth and sitting at the City Gate and being some wisdom for the Heathen, and who knows he might come to Christ! You let one law get passed that has killed over 50 million babies. And you let even more policies and law that you should of been praying about and shouting about but no you couldn't get out of the Heavenlies!. A whole nation of youth has been destroyed. So we let many get killed in the womb and when they get out of the womb their open season to the devil because the Church let the Devil take over America! Now, since the Church was responsible for being diligent and watchman on the wall and it has failed to do so America will suffer great judgement. it wasn't because it was prophisied it was because the Church failed to occupy the territory it was given. So the next time your lamenting about the 4000 babies that are killed a week, or you can't preach on the streets anymore, or you can't speak the truth about homosexuality or when they haul you off we can all take a collective finger in America and turn it around and point ourselves in the face and say thanx, these are the circumstances I or we created and repent!

Jeremiah 23:1“I will send disaster upon the leaders of my people—the shepherds of my sheep—for they have destroyed and scattered the very ones they were expected to care for,” says the LORD.
2This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says to these shepherds: “Instead of leading my flock to safety, you have deserted them and driven them to destruction. Now I will pour out judgment on you for the evil you have done to them.

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Ron Halverson

Hi bearmaster

bearmaster wrote ///PP to the best of my knowledge Corrue Ten Boon remained in Holland where she died///

"Corrie died in Placentia, California on April 15, 1983. She died on her 91st birthday"
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=22002

///Richard Wormbrandt was redeemed from Rumanian prison for 15;000 dollars and was later brought to America.///

Why America, Why do so many refuges of persecution always have and always do come to America??

bearmaster wrote
///You are aware that the Anabaptist believed they were citizens of a heavenly kingdom?///

brother bear, I am a Bible Believing Christian, I attend a church that is of anabaptist heritage, When comparing history I find the Anabaptist supiour to that of the Protestantism history
but I am not bound by Anababtist theology, I do not agree with Menno and others concerning the incarnation, do you??

But having said that I am not Patriotic, I did not vote in the last two presidential elections, But I am thankful for the freedoms that we are Blessed with!+
I do not pray for persecution to fall upon me, Even though I believe it will happen soon.

((read my first post))

William Penn and the quakers believed'they were citizens of a heavenly kingdom' Penn suffered persecution for his beliefs. But Penn was also founder of the Province of Pennsylvania which gave the Anabaptist a place to refuge.

bear wrote

The clever proponents of evil political ideologies are spending millions to make us Americans ashamed to love our country. By the use of all available media of communication they are persuading our people that there is little left worth defending and certainly nothing worth dying for.They are building up in the public mind a picture of an American as a generous, tolerant, smiling chap who loves baseball and babies but is not too much concerned about fringe political theories. This synthetic American subscribes to the doctrine of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man and lets go fishing-everything will be all right. And so in religion, especially among the Protestants. Let a man rise to declare the unique Lordship of Jesus Christ and the absolute necessity of obedience to Him and he is at once branded as a hatemonger and a divider of men. The devil has brainwashed large numbers of religious leaders so successfully that they are now too timid to resist him. And he, being the kind of devil he is, takes swift advantage of their cowardice to erect altars to Baal everywhere. The Bible is a book of controversy. The Old Testament prophets were men of contention. Our Lord Jesus while on earth was in deadly conflict with the devil. The Apostles, the Church Fathers and the Reformers were men of controversy. They fought the devil to the death and kept the torch of truth burning for all succeeding generations. Is our contribution to history to be the ignoble one of letting the torch go out?

By A.W. Tozer
Keep the Torch Burning

Well Brother as you know slavery had been around for about 5000 years plus. In Rome and other powers at the time and before, up to half the population would be typically slaves. You could end up that way for all kinds of reasons. Thee typical way would be invasion of your country. As you know, the societies were agricultural. As you know it wasn't till 1833 that slavery was abolished in the British empire. So slavery was not new on the block. Just like abortion to you today is nothing new. As you know many of the Founders were abolitionist and set their slaves free. Charles G Finney said he felt that the only way to get rid of slavery was war. Revivals filled the land just before the war and through the war. Not saying we were perfect but kept trudging. But see friend were not talking about the passed away church were talking about the hear and now, and that generation in which your talking about did bring about revivals in their times and did bring about great social change for people. What has our generation of the Church done except lose the gains we once had. I put up one last post on this thread for your review and ponderance and I think it completely explains my general views on the subject you know we can be on here for days battering back and forth but it is possible we can find nuggets of truth in our discussions that will help the cause of Christ. Thanks for your comments