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Gideons
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I agree Ron, that's something we have to be very careful of. That's certainly one of my own fears is that I become a tinkling cymbal, which I have been at times. The Lord knows I've done this at times in my life and I've had to repent of it.

Let's be courageous to speak the truth in love. If that's viewed as offensive so be it but my prayer is that other folks may see Christ in me. If others can't see a difference in my life due to Christ, then what do I have? They may not like it because it convicts them. That's what I hoping that Christians will convict others by the way they treat others and live their life.

1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.


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Ed Pugh

 2005/3/8 14:46Profile









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BTW I find the title of this thread really offends me.



You know whats odd about that? It was implied on another thread today that I dont have a sense of humor. The title of this thread was meant as humor... and you now tell me that it's not funny.

The title has a deeper meaning tho... which is this: Lets not weaken the message in order to not offend someone.

Sorry you didnt get it.

I do not condone being offensive in our presentation. (Even tho i can be guilty at times)

Krispy

 2005/3/8 14:55









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philologos,

If a dictionary or encyclopedia have errors, and most of them do, does it invalidate the rest of the information?

Childrens stories are made up, but they have a truthful point to make for the listener. Because they are made up does not invalidate these truths.

Our mystical God the Father communicates to all of us in ways that we can understand. But we have to look below the surface and reach with faith at hand to find these meanings.

I understand the yearning for resolute truth in this world full of lies and misrepresentations. The Holy Ghost is at hand to meet this need. What more do you need?

Bub

 2005/3/8 15:41









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..... sigh .....

 2005/3/8 15:57
DezCall
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Dear Krispy,

I understand your heart brother and I fully agree when you wrote:

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Lets not weaken the message in order to not offend someone.



However, in light of some "regrettable offences" made here on this forum...well...it just doesn't fit in that well. I don't know...but maybe you could change the name?

I had to think of a great hymn to encourage us all, our eyes focused on Christ:

[font=Helvetica]"Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

Refrain
[i]Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.[/i]

At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

Refrain

Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

Refrain

Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail."[/font]

Greetings in Christ to you all, my fellow soldiers! :-),

Paul


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Paul

 2005/3/8 16:03Profile
RobertW
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BTW I find the title of this thread really offends me.



For we all often offend. If any one offend not in word, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body too. (James 3:2 Darby)

Some may stumble at the word being disobedient. Some may perchance stumble at that stumbling stone; which is Christ. But let none stumble because of my words or my words add an unnecessary offense to an already offensive Gospel. This is particularly true of babes in Christ.

God Bless,

-Robert


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Robert Wurtz II

 2005/3/8 16:12Profile
philologos
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If a dictionary or encyclopedia have errors, and most of them do, does it invalidate the rest of the information?


So how do you maintain confidence in the author of the dictionary who keeps getting the definitions wrong?


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Ron Bailey

 2005/3/8 16:17Profile









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I don't know...but maybe you could change the name?



There... I did... does everyone like this title better?

Everyone got all hung up on the title... and no one is talking about the article. Thats kinda like eating the plate and leaving your breakfast sitting on the table top.

Krispy

 2005/3/8 16:20
philologos
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I understand your heart brother and I fully agree when you wrote:
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Lets not weaken the message in order to not offend someone.


to not weaken the message so not to offend is not the same a going out in order to offend.

Now that you have changed the title of course no-one is going to understand the thread at all. The sub-thread 'let's offend some people' is a belligerent expression, and not helpful. I am not without a sense of humour usually, but the reason I kept out of the thread initially was that I just couldn't join myself to the spirit expressed in the original title.


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Ron Bailey

 2005/3/8 16:20Profile
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BTW I find the title of this thread really offends me.



I was going to say something similar but decided not to. Many people who come to SI may or may not understand this type of humor- especially if they are newer in their faith or are over-zealous themselves.


I am wondering if this article is not being taken out of context, if it is not being used for another purpose than what it was written for. I don't think the author suggests that we go out and purposely find ways to offend. I don't hear Jesus saying in His day 'let's go out today and offend people."

It was just a fact, that people were offended- and may it be said, that the religious of that day were most likely the ones offended because they thought they knew the truth. They had all the answers. They kept all the law to the T.

Yes, the true gospel does offend on occasion. But it should not be a matter of thought. If we are in submission to Jesus Christ living in us everyday, He will lead us and direct us where to go and who to speak to and what to say. If He is truly living in us, we will display the fruits of the spirit in our living, in our attitudes and in our speaking.

I think the idea that we have to tell everyone else what's wrong with them and then refuse to look at our selves is a mistake. if we spent more time looking in the mirror and letting the Lord examine our own hearts- we would do well.

If you want to talk about offending people, especialy the religious, I have found that self examination (letting the Lord examine, really) has been the most offensive thing to my extended family members, etc... "You can't be perfect you know." They don't like to hear that you are willing to be examined because it makes them feel convicted. They don't like to see the humility it takes to be willing to grow and CHANGE constantly.

And I might add, that many times unconditional love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, goodness, faithfullness and self-control ARE offensive to people as well, especially the religious and those who feel they do not deserve to be treated in this way deep inside.

Again, I wish we would think and pray a little before we post. I have been guilty of posting or replying quickly in the flesh but I find that if i seek the Lord's will first, needless words go unsaid, less damage is done and I have found that i have grown a bit by humbling myself and restraining myself.

In His love, Chanin


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Chanin

 2005/3/8 16:27Profile





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