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MrBillPro
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The courts have already ruled on this issue many times, what part of the 2nd amendment don't these folks understand? I will give up my gun one bullet at a time.

Obama and his banker masters want us disarmed before the economy collapses and will stop at nothing to disarm us. Obama knows that his policies will soon collapse the economy, and he does not want 80,000,000 plus armed citizens ticked off and looking for him.

Biden says they can just go around congress again and just use executive order to pass gun control,uncle Joe and Obama better be careful, or they may have a revolt in America. They are not kings,we still have a constitution even though the Obama administration wants it gone and rendered useless, these people work for us and they are acting like rulers of some third world country. Wake up people these guys are more dangerous than so called assault rifles or any gun, we are losing our freedom, the people messed up electing this anti American administration, our freedom is at risk!


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Bill

 2013/1/10 0:33Profile
mguldner
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I live in rural Kansas and I will say this again you will be hard pressed to find anyone that will actually enforce the gun control laws should they get passed. You can't disarm a citizen if the police don't enforce the law. Maybe making it harder to buy a gun but again I live in rural Kansas everyone around here already owns like 3 to 5 guns already and Kansas is a mild one when it comes to rocking the boat on gun control don't even get me started on how hard it will be to disarm Texas and Oklahoma.


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Matthew Guldner

 2013/1/10 8:20Profile
Solomon101
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The second amendment that enshrines the responsibility of American citizens to keep themselves as a well armed militia ends with a phrase. It states that right, "Shall not be infringed upon". THAT is the current key.

The Obama administration has stated this week that they may well bypass congress and the constitution by enacting gun control through "Executive Order". For those unaware this has been the weapon of choice more and more for presidents who want to bypass congress. However, this case is in a league of its own as the Obama administration is threatening to directly violate the second amendment to the constitution in his action.

In essence, the Constitution clearly contradicts their desire for gun control. Congress will not pass the laws to tighten them as it is political suicide. It is one of the key reason the mid terms in Clinton's presidency were the largest landslide victories ever for his opposition. Folks who voted with Clinton's gun control measures were voted out en masse at the next midterms. That is not a lesson lost on current house members regardless of the party they are part of.

So a few factoids-

1. The Obama administration can not take guns as the constitution strictly and specifically forbids it.
2. The congress will not vote in such a way to do so. They could not enact a law overriding the constitution either.
3. The current president has indicated he may use "Executive Orders" to do this. Executive Orders are just "laws" the president makes up on his own because he can't get them passed for whatever reason. So..since he wants it he just says it is so and hires armed government officials to enforce it.

That leaves us here. If the Obama administration attempts to enact gun control, seizure, or registration contrary to the constitution there will be blood all over the streets of America. Many, many, many Americans will not allow the moving from a Constitutional government to a dictatorship.

I, as a follower of Christ, do not think I could take up arms in such a case. Only to protect my life, safety of another from harm, or invasion of my homeland would cause me to take up arms. However, that is not the case with a great many Americans. If there is an attempt to "go emperor" by Obama by usurping the second amendment then many Americans will meet the attempted implementation of that with deadly force.

Perhaps this is the way that much of the forseen fall of America will happen. Maybe it comes by a nation divided that goes up in the flames of civil war. I pray not....I pray cooler heads and Constitutional government prevail.

If Obama were to go this route I would also expect some congressmen to start immediate impeachment and treason proceedings against him. I fear that if Obama does "go emperor" on this issue he will have personally ushered in the end game for the U.S. I am unsure at this point but there are many who think this has been the Obama administrations plan from the beginning.

 2013/1/10 9:24Profile
hoohoou
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"If only the North would have allowed the south to succeed more American Lives would have been spared than what any other War Cost and the Blue States could have had their socialism and the red states could have preserved their freedom."

Please tell me that you are being sarcastic, please. Please tell me you are not placing "american" lives above the lives of countless men and woman, who were created by God, that would have been subject to slavery.


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Matt Smith

 2013/1/10 9:47Profile
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I'm having a hard time understanding the rhetoric coming from folk on this subject. I know I'm a Brit and so I'm looking on the outside, but really 'y'all need to wake up and smell the coffee!'

If you belong to Christ your citizenship is heavenly, not the USA and your alliegence is to Him and not the constitution.

Why are some 'Christians' so concerned about the right to 'bear arms'? Do you want to be part of an armed militia? Would you be comfortable with thousands of ungodly 'crazy' militia activists controlling the American streets with guns etc?

Don't you realise that the USA has more freedom for Christians than probably any other country? That's why you have all the crazy money preachers and cults allowed to flourish in your land. Rather than fight for your constitutional rights, use this freedom to live the gospel and impact the nation for revival! You know, once upon a time there was not one nation that was 'Christian' and had any godly constitution, but the gospel changed those pagan societies. Just think what you could do in such a much better starting place than then!

***Solomon101 said: "Only to protect my life, safety of another from harm, or invasion of my homeland would cause me to take up arms."
Ony in the USA woud you hear a Christian say this.

Now about the 2nd ammendment, so it says you have the right to bear arms. Does nobody have the right to define 'what arms'? If not,then there is a whole arms industry out there where you can buy everything from RPGs to land mines etc. Why not let every citizen chose whatever arms they would like!
So being sensible, why not ban all automatic and semi automatic assault guns and let the hunters have their shot guns and riffles for legitimate use.


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Dave

 2013/1/10 10:25Profile
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HezWelling.... I am not right wing, i am not left wing, i'm not even a "christian"...i'm a Jew who follows Messiah Jesus, which i regard as a miracle, and a Gift from Jesus....to open my eyes, and walk in New Covenant Reality.



Well you might be interested in this:
Three primary goals drive the Wisconsin-based human-rights group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO):

Destroy so-called “gun control” (code words for disarming innocent people).

Expose the misguided notions that lead people to seek out so-called “gun control”.

Encourage Americans to understand and defend all of the Bill of Rights for all citizens. The Second Amendment is the “Guardian” of the Bill of Rights.

Founded by Jews in 1989, JPFO initially aimed at educating the Jewish community about the historical evils that Jews have suffered when they have been disarmed. JPFO has always welcomed people of all religious beliefs who share a common goal of opposing and reversing victim-disarmament policies while advancing liberty for all. It was the brainchild of Aaron Zelman (1946 - 2010), a leading national civil-rights activist.


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Bill

 2013/1/10 10:30Profile
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Hi Heydave

Heydave wrote/// Now about the 2nd ammendment, so it says you have the right to bear arms. Does nobody have the right to define 'what arms'? If not,then there is a whole arms industry out there where you can buy everything from RPGs to land mines etc. Why not let every citizen chose whatever arms they would like!
So being sensible, why not ban all automatic and semi automatic assault guns and let the hunters have their shot guns and riffles for legitimate use.///

The second amendment was not implemented so as to protect the right to hunt it was implemented so as to keep the Government accountable , and the ability for the people to succeed from a corrupt government

 2013/1/10 11:32Profile
MrBillPro
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Dave, if we are just going to give up rights to Americans provided in the US Constitution by the 2nd Amendment, lets not stop there, lets do away with the First Amendment..Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Trust me this one will be next, and on and on and on...till we have "NO" rights.


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Bill

 2013/1/10 11:50Profile
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  Thomas Jefferson

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” - Thomas Jefferson

 2013/1/10 12:05Profile
mguldner
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Please tell me that you are being sarcastic, please. Please tell me you are not placing "american" lives above the lives of countless men and woman, who were created by God, that would have been subject to slavery.



Fun fact the civil war wasn't started because of slavery but "State's Rights" Slavery was really secondary to this one issue.


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Matthew Guldner

 2013/1/10 12:11Profile





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