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rainydaygirl
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 Gun control debate and what may lay ahead?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/09/vice-president-to-meet-with-gun-safety-groups/

The above news story talks about how the president might use executive action as a part of the governments response to gun control. As I have been reading on this topic and reading about all these people buying guns because of it I almost feel a sense of dread about what could happen if the government does attempt to force people to give up their guns?? Just wonder if anyone else was following this story and your thoughts? I for one am praying that God's will be done in all of this other than that I don't know what the answer is.

rdg

 2013/1/9 14:13Profile
mguldner
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 Re: Gun control debate and what may lay ahead?

I don't follow Gun Control to closely but I do remember reading a quote made by Hitler "To conquer a nation first disarms its citizens" Am I going out buying guns? No but I know many people who own guns that aren't going to just hand them over and I know even more police officers who wouldn't dare enforce a law that took guns away for no reason.


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Matthew Guldner

 2013/1/9 15:38Profile
ginnyrose
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 Re: Gun control debate and what may lay ahead?

rdg,

This gun ownership issue is merely a tip in the iceberg. The gov is rapidly working to disarm the citizens in many ways and most have nothing to do with gun ownership. The second amendment gives Americans the right to bear arms - do google search on this. Because of the school shooting recently this is galvanizing the anti-gun forces to outlaw certain weapons.

What will we do? Live like we did before. My husband and I do not own any guns although according to gov records I own quite a few because I signed so our boys could have them for hunting reasons. But at present we have none in the house and do not plan on getting any. We believe our physical lives are in God's hands and we do not need any weapons to protect it.

To live our lives free from gov interference is becoming history. Be prepared for more restrictions in how you can live your faith. I get the sense that how we work or when we work will come under federal scrutiny...just be prepared for the worse and expect it get worse yet. It is not a matter of if but when.

Sorry, rdg, that I can not be more optimistic... but we are entering into an era in which our faith will be sorely tested: will I stand up for principle or will I compromise and cave in. Here are some issues:

1. Nurses have been fired because they refused the flu immunization.

2. Girl told in TX she must accept the chip in her ID.

3. Hobby Lobby will be fined for not providing medical insurance that will pay for abortifacant meds for their employees.

4. Illegal to sell raw milk.

5. If you own an inn and have chickens, you are not allowed to use their eggs in this inn's kitchen.

6. In the UK Christians have no right to refuse to work on Sunday because of religious convictions. (Wonder how this law will apply to Muslims's holy days.?)

rdg, things are getting stupider all the time...while some of these prohibition may not be widespread yet, they are issues citizens have had to deal with in the course of business.

Take care and stay close to the LORD because this is the ONLY way you will survive the coming persecution. Remember it starts in little things and as they progress they will become bolder - after people's will and power has been broken. And God sees it all, do not forget that.

God bless.

ginnyrose



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Sandra Miller

 2013/1/9 16:08Profile
iceman9
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ginnyrose said:

"Take care and stay close to the LORD because this is the ONLY way you will survive the coming persecution..."


So true ginnyrose. The persecution is coming - not if; but when.

I am suprised that the Scriptures have not been outlawed yet. It will be!

It is labeled as a hate book full of violence and wrath.

Freedom of the press will not matter when they begin to censor the Holy Bible.

 2013/1/9 16:24Profile









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American believers are living in this constitutional, right wing bubble and believe their right to bear arms will save them from government tyranny. They almost worship this right as much as they profess to worship Jesus. When Peter drew his sword to defend Christ Jesus told him to put it away. For all who draw tbe sword will die by the sword. There are those so called Christian patriots (whatever that is) who believe if you are armed to the teeth you can bunker down in the bunker and fight iff the ATF. Fine, but remember WACO or Ruby Ridge

American Christians have not come into the reality that a good part of tbe body of Christ is under persrcution in some shape fashion or form. In other parts of the world. This is what we are called to. This has not hit home to American believers. Wbelieve because we are spared persecution we are blessed and exempt by God. If this is what we believe then we are deceived.

In a prayer call some were bemoaning tbe three list of Homeland Security. Maybe an urban myth. But the first list would be those taken immediately to a Federal detention facility. The second list would be a warning list. The third list would be law abiding citizens. Some were bemoaning how they did not want to be on that first must. Then one sister stood up and said wait. It would be an honor to be on that first list. This would mean our faith is real. Needless to say tbe prayer meeting was silent for quite awhile.

There was a saying that said if an American believer were arrested for beibg a Christian. Would there be enough evidence to convict him. Something to ponder in our gun totin culture.

Bearnaster.

 2013/1/9 19:53









 Re: Gun control debate and what may lay ahead?

God bless you lil sis RDG, i should of known you'd pick up on that too.

Your leadings are not incorrect, i too, had a nail driven thru my heart as i read that.

so part of what i post to you will be secular, and part will be of this Faith Divine, i trust you will bear with me.

i wont say what i might or might not have in the way of firearms. i hew to the Israeli policy in regards to nukes, its called "ambiguity"....i never confirm nor deny.

the genius of the 2nd Amendment was the founding fathers asking, "what if?"........what if a tyrant was to "take over"...its not about hunting, and as anti-2nd amendment types parse, they say all it means is a "well regulated militia" thats part A, or a two idea amendment....that comma after the militia part is crucial..."the rights of the people"......

what i believe is happening is that those in power realize, the 300 million plus firearms in private ownership, stand in the way, of them doing whatever they want to do, expecially as the economy at large grows ever increasing limp, and living standards diminish.

we have not reached the point yet, where people HERE know REAL hunger....and it might ....MIGHT come to that, God knows....and quite frankly, there is no unity in the land today, and people are selfish, leadership is selfish, and the love of many has grown cold.

i'm meandering a bit, as i gather my thoughts, but yes, i was HIGHLY disturbed when i read that "executive" action or "orders" are being contemplated...i wish i could tell you otherwise....let me read what others have to say, and i for one, pray my words, remain measured and soft...not fussing with other saints, in Jesus Love, neil

 2013/1/9 21:33
MrBillPro
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When you join the military you are sworn to FOREVER, uphold and "defend the Constitution of The United States Of America" against enemy's both foreign and domestic. Only question here is do we have to right "according to the Constitution to own/possess a firearm?


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 2013/1/9 21:44Profile









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beloved Ginny, this is a good post of yours;

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This gun ownership issue is merely a tip in the iceberg. The gov is rapidly working to disarm the citizens in many ways and most have nothing to do with gun ownership. The second amendment gives Americans the right to bear arms - do google search on this. Because of the school shooting recently this is galvanizing the anti-gun forces to outlaw certain weapons.

What will we do? Live like we did before. My husband and I do not own any guns



Ginny, i think that thru the years we have gotten to know one another as best as two saints can over this here cyber forum, and i pray you know the love and respect i have for you as my older sister in this Faith.

so you i believe you know how i feel in this matter, i think and walk this issue out, just like an Israeli. politically i have only TWO 'redline" issues, they are the 2nd Amendment and Israel, ie...how America treats Israel...thats it.

(as far as murdering babies...abortion, i think its too late, God has HAD it with the US......40 million babies?....what a hideous demonic death toll, God is brimming with anger over this wickedness, and we will pay the price...a price i shudder to think of.)

The US still stands with Israel, though i feel that the President OBVIOUSLY does not, but he doesnt have the water to face down our military over this......but in regards to Iran and their hellish desires, i think it might be too late....they probably have nuclear weapons as i type this, and i cant even imagine the threats that have been made to Israel from the Obama admin, preventing Israel to do what it HAD to do....no one really has the clear picture, except God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.......in Him, i rest, knowing everything is going to be alright.


but in closing i send my love, in His Love to you and yours, may God fill you all His Grace and Peace, neil

 2013/1/9 22:23









 bear

i hear what you're saying....i come at it a little different....

i am not right wing, i am not left wing, i'm not even a "christian"...i'm a Jew who follows Messiah Jesus, which i regard as a miracle, and a Gift from Jesus....to open my eyes, and walk in New Convenant Reality.

so i have to ask you this, what did Jesus mean when He said this?:

"He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one." Luke 22:36


Even though it is NOT canonical, one would do well to consider the Essene "War Scroll"

 2013/1/9 22:36
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If only the North would have allowed the south to succeed more American Lives would have been spared than what any other War Cost and the Blue States could have had their socialism and the red states could have preserved their freedom.

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