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| | Re: | | Found this in another thread that is wine related, very interesting testimony. The thread link is provided at the bottom.
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By: crusader
New wine
Due to a recent post, God directed me into studying the new wine in scripture, at first my understanding was blind as to why God wanted me to study this area, also i couldnt see how it related to the topic that troubled me so much. The point that the holy spirit has kept me to chew on was why the skins burst when new wine is put into it. and although my study is not complete in understanding yet for me, this is how and what he showed me so far
a client of mine worked in a winery and he said that the old wine containers contained bacteria so if you put a new batch of wine in them the bacteria reacts with the wine while it is fermenting therefor the container bursts. .
When making wine today the same containers are used but they are completley sterilized of this bacteria before adding new wine.
ephesians 4:21... says it as the following
if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus:that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
In my past as a christian there where some bacteria (sin) of my life i ignored and justified it by saying "its ok it's not that bad of a sin" or "it's not hurting anyone" or "jesus will take it out of my life later" eventually i would fall about 6 months later into greater sins. This was my christian walk for 20 years. alot of pain depression regrets and basically i lost my house, friends, dignity, jobs, fellowship, wife and my mind.
durring this time i looked everywhere for awnsers in the christian world and would find something that looked good and felt good but never set me free of this pattern. such as; preachers that tickle the ears, hundreds of so called christian help books i even at one stage looked into the toronto blessing but God allowed me to see what was heppening and i seperated from this very quickly.
The problem was and always has been that there were some area's in my life that still had bacteria which i wasnt getting rid off. I believe that five weeks ago for the first time when i knelt down at the cross and gave "all" of my sinfull thoughts to him and trusted Jesus that he will protect me and shelter me from the enemy instead of me trying to do it in my own strength, it was then that God heard my cry and broke this pattern in my life. and i am now a new person in Christ filled with the Holy spirit.
The enemy has been persistant in his attacks on my mind but he has not prevailed at all because of christs covering over me. Some of the fruit from this is a fellow worker was in tears the other night as the power of the holy spirit convicted her of her sins and she has been praying to the Lord since asking him to wash away her sins. My wife and i have started a new life together with love, tenderness and support for each other. As these things have increased so have the attacks on me but this is a good thing as they are the marks of Jesus christ and not because of my sinful nature. anyway just wanted to share where i am at.
If my terminology is wrong i apologise, i find it very hard to qualify some things in such a small amount of space. for instance my biblical study on the new wine is about 15 pages long and growing. oh and my study on the the tabinacle of God well i leave it at that.:)
I now what it is to live a life as a slave to sin and the sting that comes with it but i testify today that i know know what it is like to be a new creature in Christ.
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=39287&forum=44&5 |
|  2012/12/11 15:24 | | ginnyrose
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"Krispy was tossed out by the administration of this site."
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This is NOT true.
I got an email from Krispy today asking me to come here and correct this: he was NOT tossed out by the administrators; he left of his own will. He announced this on another thread. QUOTE by Krispy: "but the fact is I asked to be removed."
Krispy's decision to leave was not a spur of the moment thing - he had been considering it for some time AND it had nothing to do with this thread.
God bless.
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| | 2012/12/11 18:42 | Profile | jimur
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| | Re: | | Thanks for the explanations. Obviously I jumped to an improper conclusion, and as said, "got it all wrong".
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| | Re: | | Thank you ginnyrose for this correction. I ask you all to please overlook my paranoia. Krispy, if your reading this, I completely understand your request to be removed.
Sometimes it appears rather odd to ask to be removed, I mean, we can just simply stop coming to the site. I find it silly to tell everyone that one is leaving. But to request to be cut off makes it final. It finally says that your moving on not unlike the one who is saying they are leaving, because in a few weeks or months they are back. I wished that I had your email address though, so that we can at least keep in touch or if you tend to sign into another forum site. Here is my email address if you like. hobozobo at zoho dot com.
So much for the wine thread, eh? |
| | 2012/12/12 13:16 | | makrothumia
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| | Re: Is it wise to even ask certain questions? | | There are certain matters best left to the individual conscience and God. "Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself in that which he approves."
"So the faith you have, have unto yourself before God."
The attempt to "dialogue" about matters of private conscience results in doubtful disputation.
May we learn not to ask what we do not need to know.
If it is true that "blessed is the man who does not condemn himself in that which he approves" is true, we should soberly consider that it is very possible that
"cursed is the man who does condemn himself in that which he disapproves for others." Especially when that disapproval becomes a stumbling block set before others even if set forth in the best of intentions.
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| | 2012/12/12 14:53 | Profile | jimur
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| | Re: | | In essence, all we need to know is the pure gospel. Christ came, he died according to scripture, resurrected, ascended in to heaven where he sits at the right hand of the Father. In so doing he provides through his shed blood the only means of salvation into eternal life for any who would accept him as Lord and Savior. Now brother we NEED know little more than that. Are we to disregard all scripture apart from this pure gospel?
God, in His infinite wisdom saw fit to provide man with 66 books in, (73 in the Catholic) Bible, penned by no fewer than 40 individuals as inspired by Him over a great period of time. We are told in three of those books [inspired of God] Jesus [God in the flesh] said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away". Obviously God places great emphasis on His Word and places greater value of it than very creation. I should hope so great a blessing as to be found in the midst of reading, studying, discussing or asking questions of His Word when I am called home. We aren't discussing if Adam had a belly button.
The issue here isn't if a saved person faces hell by drinking a glass of wine, the condemnation of one who does, nor the righteousness of one who does not. Rather discerning the possible sinful subtleties of Satan by looking closely into word meaning within scripture at the time given then translated from the original language to one using later words with seemingly similar meaning.
Are we Christians [born again] to stand at the Bema Seat and exclaim, "Oh, I didn't know that's what you meant" ?
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| | Re: | | Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Notice how wine and strong drink are connected.
If John was barred from drinking wine, and we call wine grape juice, why was it wrong for him to drink grape juice?
Of all the times that I have drank pure 100% grape juice not once have I fallen down drunk. But when I have drunk the alcoholic version of wine (I have to word it that way for those that think wine is just plain ole grape juice), I get tipsy.
So, if wine is non alcoholic grape juice, than strong drink must be coke, pepsi or coffee. |
| | 2012/12/13 9:34 | | jimur
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| | Re: | | QUOTE: Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Notice how wine and strong drink are connected.
If John was barred from drinking wine, and we call wine grape juice, why was it wrong for him to drink grape juice?
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My question here Approved, would be was this a reference to a command that he could not, or a prophecy he would not?
Yielding to previous offered definitions of the Greek oinos, and at risk of being further deemed legalistic, (only a pun offered as a result of a growing sense of paranoia), consider the following concerning secular English definition of the word wine.
The 1955 Funk & Wagnalls New "Standard" Dictionary of the English Language defines "wine" as: "1. The fermented juice of the grape: in loose language the juice of the grape whether fermented or not." This definition shows that less than 60 years ago the loose usage of "wine", in the English, referred to "the juice of the grape whether fermented or not."
More recently the (1971) New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language defines "must" as "Wine or juice pressed from the grapes but not fermented". Clearly equating "wine" with non fermented grape juice.
The 1896 Websters International Dictionary of the English Language defines "wine" as "the expressed juice of grapes, especially when fermented , a beverage, prepared from grapes by squeezing out their juice, and (usually) allowing it to ferment." recognizing the basic meaning of "wine" as "the expressed juice of grapes," as it infers, it is (usually) but not always, allowed to ferment.
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