Saints as I have read your insightful post regarding the role of Israel and the church. I must come back to one guiding conckusion. The gospel is the central theme in all of scripture. Thus any interpretation of scripture must be related to tbe person and work of esus Christ on the cross. Any other way to view scripture apart from the centrality if Christ is to distort it to one's destruction.Thus I conclude that Jesus Christ is the center of redemptive history and not Israel. I conclue that God is preparing a bride for his Son that consis of Jew and Gentle. Not tbe nation if Israel. I conclude that God us fulfilling spiritual promises to the nation of Israel and not literal land promises. I conclude that tbe Jews need the gospel to be saved just as the Gentiles do. I conclude that tbe beluever is under the New Covenant and nit tbe Old Covenant. I conclude that the NewCovenant promises abrogate tbe Old Covenant promises.I know many will take issue with me on these positions. But for me to conclude otherwise would be to go against the word of truth as I understand it.But again tbe discussions gave been good and gave sharpened ny faith jn this area. Much blessing and peace be upon tbe body of Jesus.Bearmaster.
I agree entirely with everything you said. The discussions have been good for me to.Have to admit that I was a little curious about your "Conckusions" :)God bless you brother.Tim
"And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: 'The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. " 'I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.' Revelation 2:8-11 (ESV) It seems pretty clear that in Christ, one is either a "Jew" or he is ungodly. That should not surprise anyone because it was God's promise to Abraham, i.e., the Church is neither made up of Jew or Gentile but, both. The Church is of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is of the seed of Abraham.
Croref,Thank you for this post, it has cleared up that portion of Scripture for my husband and me - (those who say that they are Jews and are not)Seems we would be better off praying for 'the seed of Abraham.' No need to specify particular Countries.regards,ws
I know many will take issue with me on these positions...
by White_Stone on 2012/11/25 8:45:51Thank you for this post, it has cleared up that portion of Scripture for my husband and me - (those who say that they are Jews and are not)Seems we would be better off praying for 'the seed of Abraham.' No need to specify particular Countries.