Quote: You can just about fit Europe into Texas

USA land area = 9.83 million km2
Europe land area =10,180,000km2

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Colin Murray

the fed owes money to every state. quantitative easing has affected all states.

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Elias

elias... thanx for your response. I agree with what you said, except the last part about many of the founding fathers being against religious intrusion into public life. This is not true at all. This is what our public schools are teaching, but if you do your own research and draw your information from original sources, and not from history books... you get a much different view of what they believed about that. Yes, SOME were deists. SOME were Christians. SOME were neither. But at that point in history almost all of them believed that the influence of Christianity on American life was key to the "Great Experiment" being successful.


I do not believe in the David Barton view of American history, by the way. He has an agenda and he is a history revisionist. It's NEVER good to come at history with an agenda.

Krispy

QUOTE: ""this is uncommonly silly"
We should be praying, not seceding.==ELIAS7291


No, we should be praying AND seceding.

QUOTE: "And to my last point: many of our most prominent founding fathers did not fear god. They were deists and vehemently opposed any religious interference in the public square. Think Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin."==ELAIS



True. Am so tired of Christians pretending our Founding Fathers were "Christians". They were not. Washington was a Freemason, as were many others, and Jefferson was Illuminati. He is also known to have had an affair with one of his slaves. Ben Franklin was a Universalist and Mason. I can't think of a single Founder who was a genuine Christian.

I think to say that all of America's founding fathers were freenasons or they were Christians is an imbalanced view.

Both God and Satan were at work in the birth of this nation.

I find this documentary youtube very balanced in addressing both sides.

http://youtu.be/0DYPn9Dpjww

God bless.

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Fifi

It is hard not to be appalled by the ignorance of the founding of this nation. Never the less, I don't see how singing a petition to succede from the union is immoral. This is a totally lawful act. I don't believe this a call for armed revolution.
No, our kingdom is not of this world, but that does not mean that we should not take an active part in the way that we are governed.

It is hard not to be appalled by the ignorance of the founding of this nation. Never the less, I don't see how singing a petition to succede from the union is immoral. This is a totally lawful act. I don't believe this a call for armed revolution.
No, our kingdom is not of this world, but that does not mean that we should not take an active part in the way that we are governed.

Illuminati?? Oh brother... I was with ya until that.

Someone else said they cant think of one Christian founding father. Really? You've read all their writings, and journals and diaries and autobiographies... and not one? Or are you basing this statement on what you have heard others tell you?

It's popular on this forum to hate America. It's always been that way here. And it's always been popular on here to look at everything negatively, no matter what it is. (example: Charlie Daniels' name came up on this forum a week ago and immediately someone dug up lyrics to a song he wrote THIRTY years ago to show everyone that there is no way he could be a Christian now... shameful)

I agree with the poster who said to say all founding fathers were Christians, or all founding fathers were freemasons (or worse... Illuminati... oooo!!) is out of balance. But there were many who were Bible believers. Maybe not shared the same exact theology or doctrine as you or me (there are two people on THIS forum who agree all the time), but yes... there were Christians involved in the founding of America. And if you read the original sources you will see even those who were deists believed that the only way this country would work is will due dilligence given to Christian/Biblical principles... and that is an indesputable fact.

Krispy

Krispy,

I agree with you. There were some genuine, some deists, etc. I was meaning our most prominent.

Dearly Beloved,
what does one profit from seceding? and to the previous post from timg, it is a totally lawful act to petition to secede. Its the motive that i am concerned about. Why do (Southern) states want to secede?

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Elias