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 Again, do we call tbem brethren?

At this point I feel constrained to revisit this question. Many know from.my posts where I stand in the issue if tbe gospel and thr cults. I gave argued quite strongly, in this forum, that Mormonism is a Satanic quote. And those inside that cult are in demonic bondage.

Yet some, maybe in this forum, are saying that Mormons should not be judge so harshly. They hold to Biblical values, use tbe King James Bible. Even the Billy Graham association has removed Mormonism from their cult list. Their young adults go on missions, clean cut. Certainly don't drink, smoke, or chew.

We know Mormons are fiercely loyal to tbe republic. Holding to tbe Constitution. Probably good Republicans. After all us not Glen Beck a solid God fearing man.

Ali right forum. I ask you. Let us say I am wrong. Do we regard tbe Mormons as our brother's and sisters. But maybe worshipping the same God. Maybe we are harsh to call then s cult. Maybe they are saved.

What are your thoughts?

Bearnaster.



 2012/11/8 18:09
proudpapa
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 Re: Again, do we call tbem brethren?

no, but do we call them neighbour ??

 2012/11/8 18:23Profile









 Re: Again, do we call tbem brethren?

No absolutely not. If we do then we are become complicit in their unbelief. Being a member of the Republican Party is no more beneficial or true than being a member of a Cricket Club that happens to hold to family values and manages to promote decency by and on behalf of its members.


Mormonism is a religious spirit.


When push comes to shove a Mormon missionary will avoid at almost all cost telling you what it is that they truly believe. If you ask them who is Christ they are quiet capable of saying “Christ is Lord”. They will do this simply because from past experience of having been challenged as to their authenticity, they have learned that those who do truly believe in the Risen Lord, are foolish enough to take the words as proof of something more substantive than hot air.

“No man can say that Christ is Lord, except by the Spirit”.


This verse speaks of reality not a mere fact of words. In short only one who has been born again can declare in truth that Christ is Lord because only the Spirit of Truth is able to reveal it. It is not a form of words, but a living declaration borne out of revelation of God, the conviction of sin and faith in The Risen Lord.

 2012/11/8 18:26
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Again: No.

 2012/11/8 19:07Profile









 Re: Again, do we call tbem brethren?

dear brother,

One who does not believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior, and believe He is the only Son of God and the only Mediator between God and man who died for their sins is not born again and cannot be our brother or sister in Christ.

As one who came out of Mormonism I have to tell you, if you become born again while in Mormonism, then you come out of it because Mormonism is a false religion with a false prophet. Pretty clear.

All that said, I agree with some above, they are our neighbors, they are the lost whom we must share the truth of the gospel in love.
Sister Leslie

Sister Leslie

 2012/11/8 19:29
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What is the Incorruptable Seed? The same Seed that was put in Mary to bring forth the Savior of the World, Jesus Christ. Any birthing takes an act of The Father of the one being birthed. This Living Word, that is the incorruptable Seed that God our Father has birthed in us. Paul states it in all his epistles, "my gospel", as the statement "IN CHRIST", over 150 times in verious ways.

Just a few; Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Ro 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Ro 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
2Co 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

This is still a mystery to Mormans and sadly to a great percentage of the Body of Christ the Church. These who must work themselves into the Kingdom by their own works are a cult. "come out from among them".

A new birthed one, a new creature, with the mind of Christ, being the direct offspring of God our Father by Christ Jesus who lives in us:

Phillip


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 2012/11/8 19:31Profile
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"Re: Again, do we call tbem brethren?"
ABSOLUTELY NOT!

"Even the Billy Graham association has removed Mormonism from their cult list."
Billy Graham and his association are absolutely wrong about this,as well as a number of other things.

"Do we regard tbe Mormons as our brother's and sisters."
ABSOLUTELY NOT!

"But maybe worshipping the same God."
ABSOLUTELY NOT!

"Maybe we are harsh to call then s cult."
ABSOLUTELY NOT!

"Maybe they are saved."
ABSOLUTELY NOT!

"What are your thoughts?"
See above and what follows.


What Do Mormons Believe: The Primary Differences Between Mormonism & Christianity (from a cults website)

What Do Mormons Believe: Divine Authority

The Mormon church uses two sources as its primary authorities: the Book of Mormon and the Bible. The Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price are also viewed as divinely authoritative.

In contrast, the Christian church (also called biblical Christianity) uses the Holy Bible alone as its authority from God (2 Timothy 3:16). Joseph Smith is not recognized as a prophet.

What Do Mormons Believe: The Nature of God

The Mormon church sees God as the Supreme Being of the universe. However, He gradually acquired that position over a long period of time by living a perfect and righteous life. God the Father has a body (flesh and bones). 1

In contrast, the biblical Christianity proclaims God as eternally and infinitely supreme (Isaiah 44:6; Psalm 90:2). He is the same today as always (James 1:17). He is a spirit Being (John 4:24).

What Do Mormons Believe: The Nature of Man

The Mormon church teaches that humans exist as spirit beings before their birth.2 At physical birth, bodies are given to these spirits. They are also given an opportunity for free-will choice. The physical world represents a period of probation. The status of a person in the afterlife is determined by the way that person lived his/her life on Earth. If the person lived by a satisfactory standard, (including the fulfillment of Mormon temple obligations) that person has the potential to become a god in the after-life.3 The person can also produce "spirit children" to populate a world of his own (like God did with the earth).4

In contrast, the Christian church holds that humans do not exist as spirits prior to being born into the world. Humans cannot attain godhood or populate other worlds with "spirit children."

What Do Mormons Believe: The Nature of Jesus Christ

The Mormon church views Jesus and Satan as spirit brothers and sons of God.5 God put forth His plan of salvation for the world, and Satan proposed his own plan. Jesus accepted the Father's plan and offered to implement it as the Savior.6 The Father chose Jesus, and the spirit of Jesus was given a body through the virgin Mary.7 He was crucified on a Roman cross, and rose from the dead three days later to establish His deity. The character and life of Jesus is attainable by anyone who performs at such a righteous level.

In contrast, biblical Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ has existed eternally as the Son of God, the second "person" of the Trinity (Colossians 1:15-18; John 1:1, 3). Jesus took on human flesh about 2000 years ago and was born into the world through the virgin Mary (Luke 2). He was crucified on a Roman cross for our sins (Romans 5:8), and rose from the dead three days later to establish His deity (Mark 16; 1 Corinthians 15:13-17).

What Do Mormons Believe: How do we Achieve Salvation

The Mormon church holds that Jesus Christ overcame physical death and guaranteed physical resurrection to all mankind. However, spiritual death can only be avoided through personal obedience of God's commandments.8 Forgiveness of sins requires faith, repentance and baptism by an approved Mormon priest. The practice of baptism for the dead is an extension of this belief, in which Mormons are baptized in proxy for those who have died without proper baptism.9

In contrast, the Christian church teaches that we are unable to live a life righteous enough to meet God's perfectly holy standard (Romans 3:23; 6:23). Therefore, we establish a relationship with God by faith in the work of Christ on the cross, not by our own works (Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5). Baptism and good deeds are acts of obedience to God, but not the means for gaining eternal salvation.

What Do Mormons Believe: Life After Death

The Mormon church maintains that although there is temporary punishment for those that are most wicked, Jesus Christ will establish a new kingdom that will consist of three levels: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, and the telestial kingdom.10

In contrast, biblical Christianity holds that there are only two possible fates after death, heaven or hell. These locations are final, both physically and spiritually (Matthew 25:46).

1 Doctrine and Covenants 130:22, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p 3., Articles of Faith, p 38.
2 Journal of Discourse, vol 4, p 218.
3 Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p 590.
4 Gospel Principles, 1992ed., p 243.
5 Mormon Doctrine, p 163; Gospel Through the Ages, p 15.
6 Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through The Ages, 1945, p. 15; Gospel Principles, 1992ed., pp 17-18; Mormon Doctrine, p 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p 8.
7 Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 50; Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith (who later became 10th Prophet), Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, 1976, p 18.
8 Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p 134.
9 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, 1976, pp 356-357; Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p 601.
10 Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp 784, 778, 351.

 2012/11/8 19:45Profile
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One who does not believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior, and believe He is the only Son of God and the only Mediator between God and man who died for their sins is not born again and cannot be our brother or sister in Christ.

As one who came out of Mormonism I have to tell you, if you become born again while in Mormonism, then you come out of it because Mormonism is a false religion with a false prophet. Pretty clear.



Perfectly stated.

 2012/11/8 19:48Profile
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Again, do we call tbem brethren?

I agree no,

but do we call them neighbour ??

 2012/11/8 19:48Profile
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as EverestoSama in a past thread compared mormons to the Samaritans, Lets look at Luke 10 with that same perspective

 2012/11/8 20:08Profile





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