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| | opening the door | |
A Quaker died and to her great relief found herself at the Pearly gates facing St. Peter. After finding her name in a large white book, St. Peter asked, "What were your theological views?" On being told they were Quaker, he said, "Well, then, go down the hall and you'll see a door marked 'Quakers." That's where you belong."
The Friend dutifully walked down a long hallway, past many doors of various sizes and styles, marked "Catholics" "Methodists" "Jews" "Buddhists" and so forth.
At the very end of the hallway she came to another door marked "Quakers" To her surprise it was the largest door of all.
OPening it, she glimpsed a vast multitude. "This can't be right," she thought. "The Society of Friends is a tiny group." Back she hurried to St. Peter, to ask how the Quaker section of heaven had gotten so big.
"Very simple," the doorkeeper replied. "Whenever we ask someone about their theological views and they're rather vague on that point, that's where we send them, and they seem to fit right in."
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|  2005/2/23 15:30 | | philologos
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| | Re: opening the door | | Good fun, but for accuracy's sake perhaps you should have called them pseudo-Quakers? Real Quakers were in no doubt as to what they believed or why they believed it.
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| | 2005/2/23 15:36 | Profile |
| | Re: | | RE: "pseudo-Quakers? Real Quakers were in no doubt as to what they believed or why they believed it."
Now Ron, you know very well that Friends have no creed whatsoever. This is the point of the joke.
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| | 2005/2/23 15:57 | | philologos
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Now Ron, you know very well that Friends have no creed whatsoever. This is the point of the joke.
pseudo quakers may have no creed but Robert Barclay knew what he believed and why, and he had the confidence of George Fox. You see the reason I find it hard to smile at the joke is that I am proud of George Fox and Robert Barclay; they are members of my family. I feel oneness in spirit with them, but none with you. The name of Quaker has been honourable and in the annals of God's warriors they have a high place. Pseudo-quakers are a disgrace and shame on the genuine glory of the real Quakers.
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| | 2005/2/23 17:22 | Profile |
| | My brother Ron | | Man, I love the Quakers. I've been borrowing a concept of theirs for Holy Ghost meetings.
Worship sharing.
If you have a bit of Scripture, a testimony, praise, prayer request, anything led of the Spirit, you bring it to the meeting to share.
there's a couple rules, you leave space in between speakers, only one speaker at a time, and only "I" statements.......its been very edifying for the group, and I think it's a great kind of meeting to take down the clergy/laity barrier.
Been thinking of you, and praying for you in ole Blighty, cheers, and God bless you mate.
His/yours, Neil |
| | 2005/2/23 18:54 | |
| | Re: what quakers believe | | Just so you know.
What Friends (Quakers) Believe
Friends have traditionally rejected creeds, but today's Quakers generally agree on these tenets:
* There is That of God in all persons, often called the Seed or Christ Within or Inward Light, which can guide and shape each life in accordance with the will of God.
* God is directly accessible to all persons without the need of either an intermediary priest or ritual. God speaks in a manner that is personal, direct and certain - a continuing revelation. This discernment is clarified through collective worship.
* The Scriptures can be understood only by entering into the Spirit which produced them. Divine revelation did not end with the publication of the Bible but has continued through history and remains available to the person or worshipping group open to receive it.
* True religion cannot be learned from books, set prayers or rituals alone, but comes from direct experience of God.
* The infinity of Divine Truth cannot be confined by a creed or dogma. To do so would trivialize it and deny the importance of experiencing it directly.
* Friends continually work to remove the causes of conflict and war, striving to trust in love rather than to react in fear.
* God's creation should be respected and preserved. Concern for the environment and right sharing of resources are evidence of this respect.
* The power and love of God is over all, erasing the artificial division between the secular and religious. All of life, when lived in the Spirit, becomes sacramental. Quakerism is thus a way of life, putting faith into daily actions.
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| | 2005/2/24 10:46 | | inotof
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| | Re: | | I'm not sure about thier theology, however brothers and sisters this one thing i DO know . .them Quakers make some great oatmeal!!! :-P
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| | 2005/2/24 17:00 | Profile | sermonindex
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Online! | | Re: | | Quote:
but today's Quakers generally agree on these tenets
The 'today's Quakers' you are referring to are nothing close to the original founders, especially George Fox. I have the entire works of George Fox and would recommend you read them and catch the true essence of what quakerism was founded upon.
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| | 2005/2/24 17:12 | Profile | philologos
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God is directly accessible to all persons without the need of either an intermediary priest or ritual. God speaks in a manner that is personal, direct and certain - a continuing revelation. This discernment is clarified through collective worship.
Jake
It would be interesting to go through your list section by section, but this is interesting. Of course the Bible teaches categorically that we have to have a priest to give us access to God. This is why Christ became man to qualify for this role. Your pseudo-quakerism has disconnected. If you know and reject this priest there can be no access to God. The priest has to be specifically appointed my God, no man can self-induct himself as a priest.
There is one mediator (priest) between God and man the man Christ Jesus. You are quite right to reject other professed priests, but you should put your own priesthood on the banned list too. You cannot access God without His appointed priest, and if you pretend otherwise you are in defiance of God's order.
Pseudo-Quakerism has become self-authenticating. If the meeting adds is assent it is OK. You have become your own final authority. This was Satan's aim from the beginning.
This is where your folly in refusing the revelation of Christ's unique person as God become man has led you. Virgin birth, by which God Himself became human in the moment of conception provides a Divine-Human person who is described thus in Hebrews (I forget do you accept Hebrews?)
(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
(Heb 7:21-25 KJV)
There you have it, an never ending priesthood through God who became man and remains both God and man in His priesthood. Man has no access to God without a priest.
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| | 2005/2/24 18:01 | Profile |
| | Re: | | "There is That of God in all persons, often called the Seed or Christ Within or Inward Light, which can guide and shape each life in accordance with the will of God."
Ron, you must have missed this one. The Inner Light is available to those who seek it. Christ Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, is the acknowledged source of this Light in Quakerism.
And you also know that I profess Christ as God come to earth in human form. I just don't tie Him up with all kinds of qualifiers. I don't make an intellectual, legalistic, word game out of salvation. Christ died for our sins. period. No need to "transubstantiate" or any of that other mumbo jumbo that no one understands. No need for a long creed to crush the Word to bits.
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