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William Tyndale - "The washing [of baptism] preacheth unto us that we are cleansed with Christ's bloodshedding, which was an offering and a satisfaction for the sin of all that repent and believe, consenting and submitting themselves unto the will of God. The plunging into the water signifieth that we die, and are buried with Christ, as concerning the old life of sin which is Adam. And the pulling out again, signifieth that we rise again with Christ in a new life full of the Holy Ghost, which shall teach us and guide us and work the will of God in us, as thou seest Rom.VI." ( Obedience of a Christian Man, 1571 edition, p. 143.)
I think from that quote alone we can probably presume that Tyndale did not believe in infant baptism, dont you think?
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dann
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| | Re: | | I think that would be a sober interpretation of the quote. Unless of course, infants have the capacity to believe and repent...
My remarks regarding the history of modern English were not offered as a proof of any opinion - but rather as a foot note in the general discussion.
We all agree that English translations tend to transliterate - bringing to mind the possibility that we have an "English-only tradition" sets us up to examine whether the word is transliterated in all language traditions, or just in English.
If we see that the problem is (primarily) with the English translations - we can put it into a more appropriate perspective.
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Holyhands
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| | Re: | | Thanks for all your quotes and thoughts i am trying to keep up with you but i have only a small brain!! Im struggling to keep up with you but i will get there! ;-) |
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"And Peter said unto them, metanoi ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the aphesis of your hamartia; and ye shall lambano the dorea of the Holy Spirit."
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philologos
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| | Re: | | Just in case folks are beginning to wonder what is happening here I should explain that Holyhands and Clueless are 'younger' members of the church that I am part of! :-P So don't misunderstand their gentle teasing. They're doing very well, after all they're not usually allowed to stay up this late! :-P
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Holyhands
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| | Re: | | Thanks dad!!!!
Any chance of a story?
All joking aside i have thought about this topic a bit due to seeing the way other churches would do things! Also i would like to make sure that i live to the word of god not to the religion! |
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philologos
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| | Re: | | Off to bed with you and don't forget to clean your teeth...
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| | Re: | | I would just like to point out that us 'younger' members are not really so young but then I suppose it is all relative! :-P
On a serious note though, what do people think about people who get baptised then go away from God for perhaps years and then get baptised again. I personally feel that it is not necessary. I got baptised when I was 12 and then went away from God for many years but in His mercy He brought me back. I don't feel though that I need to get baptised again as I meant it all those years ago but I have heard of quite a few who have. |
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UMUSTBE
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| | Re: | | HI,I WOULD SAY THAT UNLESS OR UNTIL GOD TELLS YOU TO DO IT AGAIN YOU SHOULD NOT NEED TO.
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dann
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| | Re: | | I was a catholic before the Lord saved me, and being born into catholicism, I was baptised as a baby.
When I became a believer, that is, when the Spirit of Christ came to indwell me forever at the moment of my eternal salvation - I sinned against the Lord because I didn't submit to baptism right away.
Scripture doesn't suggest baptism - it commands it but I don't think I was ever so foolish as those days after coming to Christ but prior to baptism that I wasted my time praying over this direct commandment of God to know whether it was His will that I obey Him. Yet that is exactly what I did -- fool that I was!
I told myself that I "wanted to be sure I was doing what God wanted me to do" - but the reality was I was a little embarrased at having to be baptized - it was like declaring to everyone that I was a "newbie" - and my pride fought against it for a while.
Because I already was familiar with the word of God, I didn't entertain notions that my baptism as an infant counted for anything. The bible doesn't teach us to baptize unrepentant unbelievers - and if water should splash onto one - it most certainly doesn't count. :-)
God tells everyone who comes to him to be baptized - whether they were baptized before coming to him or not.
Acts 19 verse one through five paint the picture that we are to follow if we have received some lesser baptism prior to believing:
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While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples and asked them, Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?
They answered, No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.
So Paul asked, Then what baptism did you receive?
John's baptism, they replied.
Paul said, John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.
On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
Here we see men who were baptized twice - the first time was not sufficient because it preceded a right understanding of Christ.
It does not matter how many times we were baptized previous to the coming of the Spirit into our lives - the moment we recieve the Spirit we are commanded to be baptized in earnest.
Paul did not ask them how they felt, whether they felt they needed to do it again - he told them straight out - and so we can too. If anyone receives the Spirit of Christ they need to be baptized - even if they have already been baptized as a baby, or even baptized as an adult into some false hope.
Dan
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