| The final enemy of "Jihad"|
When we consider this whole "Rapture/Great Tribulation" discussion - a few questions and concerns which come to mind, saints, in which I would appreciate your insights:
- When I studied religion as an undergrad, the liberal arts Dept. presented its curriculum in three major divisions, you know - Judaism, Islam, and Christianity - the supposed "major world religions" rooted in the Abrahamic faith.
It has been almost 15 yrs since I embarked upon this study. And I oversimplistically conclude that Christianity and Judaism are destined to unite at some point in time or eternity. They can both agree that Christ IS coming back, it will be the Second Coming for the Christians and the First Coming for the Jews.
But, Look at the world NOW, beloved:
Is it not obvious to you that there has been a shifting in the three major world religions and two competing worldviews: The three major religions are morphing into (1) Christianity/Judaism, (2) Islam and
(3) Secular Humanism - The two major world views are
(A) Absolutism and (B) Moral Relativism.
- The Absolutists are Christians/Jews and Islamists and the rest of the world (religious or not) embraces some form of relativism (that is, of "it ALL working [it]self out in the END" - with rainbows and smiley faces). Christians and Muslims have an absolutist worldview in common which may be worked out in the "Rapture" of the church.
- What history has to work out is how in the world the remaining Absolutist (that is, Islam) will battle and conquer it's opposing worldview and religion, that is moral relativism. We know that Babylon will rise again and hope that the church will be long gone when it does. But can you imagine the "Great Tribulation" that would have to take place when absolutist Islam and relativistic Secular Humanism go into battle? This will be a battle in which the Christians need not even participate.
- Christianity is the primary target of both religions, but when we are removed from the equation, what a nightmare. Can you imagine how impossible it will be to follow Christ in a such a world, where the two main forces in opposition are WRONG: Islam vs. Secular Humanistic Relativism.
- If the gay population is so angry with Christians, why don't they distribute some of their anger to Islam too, the latter of which is ten times more intolerant (even unto violence and death, which Christians ARE NOT) of an "alternative lifestyle". There is no way that legislation supporting gay marriage is going to have an inkling of a chance under "Sharia Law". When Babylon rises again, there will be NO alternative.
If you have time, could you share your thoughts about how the world is going to shift from its current state of moral relativism to absolutist Islam?
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| Re: The final enemy of "Jihad"|
Presently there are many demonic venues that spew hatred of Jesus Christ. These range from atheism to the homosexual to the Moslems. In the end times these venues will unite in a common hatred of Jesus and his followers. Their hatred of Jesus will be so strong that they will overlook tbeir own demonic differences just because they hate Jesus. Remember Satan is the one who hates Jesus. These venues have the sane source of evil, Satan
In Mat. 24:9 Jesus said the elect remnant will be hated by all nations because of him. The followers of Jesus will be persecuted and put to death. So whether it will be the Moslem, the homosexual, the government, or the evangelical church. Whatever the venue name may be. They will hunt down believers in Christ because they serve Satan. Their hatred of the followers of Christ will be expressed because the devil hates the followers of Christ.
Just my thoughts.
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| Re: The final enemy of "Jihad". Blood in; Blood out.|
"If you have time, could you share your thoughts about how the world is going to shift from its current state of moral relativism to absolutist Islam?"
Through violence; if necessary. You will be offered to SUBMIT, and bow the knee to Allah, and recite with your mouth that he is the one and only god, and then you must bow to him, and live by his law; Cruel sharia. I think that this act of faith will be directly connected to whether you will be able to buy or sell too, in the future when the man of sin dominates all.
Ruthlessness is a necessary component of Jihad. Consider this secondary school in Beslan (North Ossetia province), Russia, during a ceremony to mark the first day of the new school year...........................________________BT
"Aside from India and Israel, probably no modern industrialized nation has suffered to the degree that Russians have at the hands of Islamic terrorists.
Having held the "Great Satan" title long before it was transferred to the USA, Muslim militants have taken particular glee in tormenting Russians. Muslim sites have posted movies depicting the beheading of Russian soldiers long before such acts became a spectacle to Westerns.
What could collectively be described as Russias Sept 11th occurred late Aug, 2004. That month homicide bombers brought down two commercial airliners, a suicide bombing targeting commuters in Moscow, then a bloody hostage incident at a Beslan school killing hundreds of women and children.
On Sept 3rd, 2004, Russians saw up close and personal the spectacle of children being mowed down by bombs and automatic fire at School No. 1 in the southern Russian town of Beslan. On that day the nation's worst hostage crisis came to a tragic end of gunfire, explosions, and death....[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_Undressed:_Beslan,_Russia_and_Islam [ great site for study ]
So, by murdering innocent school children; they display their commitment to just how radical they are, instilling their motive....TERROR, and the shiver of terror's objective is that through fear, you submit. ....and by the way, these homicide bombers also died in this hideous act of terror upon the innocent.
Jihad becomes the most coveted act in the life of a young Muslim boy, and they are fiercely indoctrinated as soon as they can talk, that to die in Allah's cause, and to kill in Allah's cause, is the reason for their being.
They are honored and promoted, and fondly and proudly remembered as brave martyrs, and many, TRY to die. Not only do they indiscriminately murder; they desire death. How can you defeat an army like this? Israel, being that other son of Abraham, and hated like a poisonous pig, have dealt with Jihad from day one, and upon travelling there, you soon realize that you are in an armed camp.
As far as secular humanism and Marxism/Socialism a la Obama style, I smell something in the air. This Arab Spring thing, being financed, and promoted by America? Everyone knows that RADICAL ISLAM and the Muslim Brotherhood are benefiting, and being rushed into power, as Egypt has proven with her new President, along with others.
A massive Caliphate is being formed, and we know they desire to destroy us..[ 9/11! ]..and yet the Marxists seem to be cuddling up to Islam, and perhaps the NWO is more informed and globally united than we think; and they are working out the hows and whys of that carved up world as we speak; you know, the Trilateral commission and the Bilderbergers and such.
Islam will not shift; until every Christian and Jew on Earth exists no more....though...some Jews and many Christians will convert to Islam; bow down and worship him.
You ask how? Consider Africa today; weak, poor, and remote. Islam is chewing Africa up, slaughtering as it rides south, and every Christian and tribal village and city that evens whimpers at the cruelty, woefully dies, men, women, and babies. The Sword of Allah.
They will not accept money; at one time, there was a tax paid to Allah to keep your society, but no more. It is submit, but there may be a hedge somewhere for the liberal mindset to exist in the happy fringe ; but certainly no room to defy or resist it.
In Europe, who let Islam sneak in, so to speak, you can be murdered for joking about Mohammad. So, I'm sure the liberals know there time as totally free thinkers is coming to an end, but Satan can be very flexible, even when every knee is bowed to him.
The final enemy of JIHAD is Christ Himself, when He folds up time and space as a scroll, and reveals Himself rising from His Royal and Eternal Throne, with every eye on Earth seeing Him as He is; GOD ALMIGHTY! and He is angry,and holds a gleaming sword..[ must be about the size of Delaware?]..and then, well, the Jihadists will try to hide, but have no place to run.
This, a as I see it is when the Anti-Christ Mullah will invade Israel and surround Jerusalem with a 200 million man army to slaughter every Jew there who refuses to bow the knee to Allah....and resolves to murder the rest, and Jesus says "No More!"
This entire event is swooping down upon us, and is called the GREAT TRIBULATION, and we can only guess at the sequence of it all, and the intricacies of how one ideology will be crushed? or will it be blended in...But I think that Jihad and Sharia will be pure until the end, and see Jesus, their sworn enemy, as who He is, and he will reward that army for it's ideology...spilling blood for submissions sake.
"So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs."
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Still reading and considering.
Yet, you have convinced/reminded me that the final enemy of Jihad is NOT moral relativism, but, (of course) Christianity, as the prophecy illustrates. The former enemy is a formidable one, though.
And it is tragic to see that it will take utter desolating violence to bring about this global shift (lamenting...). It's just that the "liberals" value their "so called" freedom so much - that there will have to be a slick act of deception (along with devastating violence) to see them "bow the knee" to any god other than "self".
Still reading and considering, thanks,
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"Through violence; if necessary. You will be offered to SUBMIT, and bow the knee to Allah, and recite with your mouth that he is the one and only god, and then you must bow to him, and live by his law; Cruel sharia. I think that this act of faith will be directly connected to whether you will be able to buy or sell too, in the future when the man of sin dominates all."
Ah, but can't you see why I am confused about the "means" in achieving this, BT? Moral Relativists are ridiculously covetous of their "freedom". Yes, I see that it would take "violence" to impose one's will upon anothers - of course it would, yeah!
Yet, regarding "America" - the "land of the free" - how in the world will such an ideological shift take place?
From that of fierce liberal democracy to Sharia Law??? Perhaps Socialist Marxism is the segue?
"Aside from India and Israel, probably no modern industrialized nation has suffered to the degree that Russians have at the hands of Islamic terrorists."
Yes, and as recently as 2004. So, BrotherTom, it would be interesting to find out what kind of force is now driving Russia's "behind the scenes" support of Iran (predominantly Muslim).
"In Europe, who let Islam sneak in, so to speak, you can be murdered for joking about Mohammad. So, I'm sure the liberals know there time as totally free thinkers is coming to an end, but Satan can be very flexible, even when every knee is bowed to him."
Man, are you correct, here, Brother. I lived in europe for a spell and boy, was I shocked! As an American, it was sooooo obvious to me how deliberate the infiltration of Islam was countries as small as "Great Britain". I called it the "Cornershop Conquest". And when I lived there at the very beginning of the 21st century, none of my British comrades see the transformation that was going on. I lived and worked in Harehills and Bradford, the latter of which was referred to as "Bradistan" - yet no one got the joke.
Like we are seeing now in America, Britain's professional community, in particular, that of "healthcare" was being dominated by people of Muslim faith. Ahem...(cough, cough!). This did not at all raise suspicion among the European culture. I thought they were smarter than that. And yet, here we are doing the same. Another unfortunate consequence of the breakdown and deterioration of our education system. Our country now has to depend on foreign professionals to perform the highly skilled work which we are not trained nor motivated to learn or do.
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im stuned again brother tom
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iv had compared to you tom a weak conviction , in agreement with you regarding the islamic force as taking a majour role in the epic last days tribulation
| 2012/8/17 7:47||Profile|
| Some thoughts on how it could turn out...generally.|
I've had compared to you Tom a weak conviction, [ but ] in agreement with you regarding the Islamic force as taking a major role in the epic, last days tribulation." brothagary
In the end, it is just intuition and informed [spiritual ?] speculation, Brother Gary.
Revelation Prophesy, through out the Bible, and particularly in Revelation and Daniel and the "Man of Sin" prophesies of Jesus, have had thousands and thousands of books written about the unfolding of it all, and all with different, or slightly different conclusions.
For 200 years or so, the primary focus of the beast, and the mark of the Beast, the Anti-Christ, has been on the Vatican, and for years I too was led in that direction. As my eschatology has "unfolded" over the years, and events unfurled, I now see it differently, as I posted.
I also see that prophecy is given not so much as to figure it all out, but as beacons in the night, as we sail along, to note that this is what it is, AS we see the beacon; like tokens.
I see the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse [ or unfolding of the last days] as this:
1.] The white Horse: Islam; Mohamed claims to have ridden to heaven from the temple mount in Jerusalem on his white [ Unicorn ? ] steed; who was named LIGHTENING!
2.] The Red Horse: The bloody flag of Anarchy/Peoples rule, Marxist/Socialism, or Communism. This form of social anarchy began in the French Revolution, and the red part of their motives had to do with the blood that the Royalty was about bleed out, as they killed them all; [ the guillotine was made famous here.]
Marx, simply defined the idea, and sought to devise a political ideology to engineer and implicate it, which he did. Lenin and company [ The USSR ] were the first to insert it, and did with cruel war, murdering all royal seed, and everyone opposed; Church, money barons and all, and the proletariat was born as an ideology. Mao, and others followed.
3.] The Black Horse: Babylon: This includes the United front of the Roman Catholic church, and the New Age ideals of various religions that seek an Ecumenical unity, and study reveals, at least to me, their roots in BABEL, and Babylon, where Satan and demon princes are worshipped and honored practicing a variety of concepts and worship practice.
4.] The Pale Horse: or deathly greenish would be more accurate. This , as I see it now, would be the results, the dust, if you will, of the other 3 horses riding; Death, and Hell that follow.
There is continual conquest occurring in the last days, as Nations fall, and war implodes on every continent, with famine, and plague, and much of inhabited Earth is destroyed. Below, Isaiah 24 describes the "Pale Horse".
"The earth mourns and fades away,
The world languishes and fades away;
The haughty people of the earth languish.
The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants,
Because they have transgressed the laws,
Changed the ordinance,
Broken the everlasting covenant.
Therefore the curse has devoured the earth,
And those who dwell in it are desolate.
Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned,
And few men are left."
I see these horsemen as four unfolding spiritual forces converging in these last days, working together, and unifying as they ride. Islam is not Babylon, and Babylon , the black horse, will diminish, and be devoured by the white horse, under the lordship of the wicked Mullah who will attain the title of the BEAST, possessed by Allah, the god of war, the Prince of Persia himself, all under the authority of Satan.
All of the death and destruction, disease and war does not matter at all to these demons, Satan and Allah; they further their cause of bringing insult and defamation unto the Throne of God; Human suffering is not a bad thing to them, and they rather encourage the Pale horse to follow, an utter death horse.
Anyway; these are my thoughts today, and they are just insights as I see things, and are subject to the reality of God's coming justice and trial; IE; The Great Tribulation.
Revelation is soooo encouraging, as we see and know, over and over....This is not the Devil's Tribulation! GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF THIS TRIAL, AND THE FINISHER OF THIS TRIAL, AND WE, AND HIM, WILL BE VINDICATED!
Hallelujah!. I'll be waving over at the East Gate! Hey! It's me! brothertom!..[ I hope. ]
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