Poster | Thread |
| Re: | | Quote:
I think in fairness there are different schools of thought on this. One is that we teach against the cults and expose all their errors; the other is that we teach the truth of scripture so that when the counterfeit arises it will be shown to be as it is.
I think we should do both. I dont spend a lot of time discussing the Mormons or the JW's because they can be refuted easily in a matter of minutes. But there is a big push going on in evangelical circles to accept "anyone who names the name of Christ", and it is a dangerous move. We going to see it more and more now since the Catholic Church has the spotlight. We've seen evangelical leaders (Billy & Franklin Graham included) praise and adore the Pope at his death. I predict we will see even further olive branch extentions given when the new Pope is chosen. Personally I refuse to extend an olive branch to an institution that has the "blood of the saints" on it's hands.
[b]Rev 17:6[/b] [i]And I saw the woman[/i] (I have no doubt this is talking about the Roman Catholic Church!) [i]drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.[/i]
I think it is extremely important right now to examine what they believe, and why it is doctrines of demons.
I do agree that we should focus on fundamentals, but the false demonic religions of the world offer good study tools for those who know how to examine and compare.
Paul said in Romans 16:17 [i]Now I beseech you, brethren, [b]mark[/b] them which cause divisions and offenses [b]contrary to the doctrine[/b] which ye have learned; and [b]avoid[/b] them.[/i]
Paul was all for exposing false doctrines. How did he do it? He compared his doctrine to the doctrines of the false teachers. There are a lot of examples in scripture of Paul doing just such a thing.
For me, I find it's a great way to teach Biblical doctrine. As I said earlier, we're walking thru the anathemas of the RCC... I take one, read it and then show in scripture what the real doctrine is according to God's Word. You're not going to hear teaching like that in most evangelical churches... because most of them think the Pope was a "man of God".
It's working quite well, too.
Krispy |
| 2005/4/15 15:21 | | moreofHim Member
Joined: 2003/10/15 Posts: 1632
| Re: | | Quote:
In time I believe that intense persecution will eliminate a lot of unnecessary schisms. We have the luxury today of dividing into thousands of different sects; but in time it will be no more. Historically you will find that the doctrinal divisions within the Church began as the persecution began to lift. When holding a meeting can cost you your life- trivial things seem to fade away.
This has crossed my mind so many times. I believe this is the answer to many questions: 'when might there be revival?" "when will see restoration?"
Robert you are so right about the persecution. I have even been contemplating the last few days why we have so many differences of opinions on EVERYTHING and I've had enough.
The early christians were also under persecution and they were strong in faith and didn't have many trivial differences. It was about Jesus, period.
I have been going around and around in my mind just thinking of all the different churches and ideas and opinions and "well, they do "that" so they're not correct" and they do "this' so they're not correct". It's enough to drive you crazy.
We are currently back at home because of this very thing.
But one day, when persecution comes to this country, the trivial stuff will fall away and we will be hanging onto our simple faith for dear life.
I am just making sure that my children will have a strong faith in case it comes in their lifetime. That they learn that trusting in Christ is all that matters. Everything else pales in comparison.
In His love, Chanin _________________ Chanin
|
| 2005/4/15 15:32 | Profile |
| Re: | | Channin, I dont think you can trivialize sound, fundamental, biblical doctrine. Now, when it comes to hair length, or should Christian men have their ears pierced... thats trivial. But Paul was very staunch about doctrine, as we should be too.
I will not seperate fellowship from someone who rejects the doctrine of dispensation... but I will break fellowship with someone who believes baptism is part of salvation. I think we need to know where to draw the line.
Quote:
The early christians were also under persecution and they were strong in faith and didn't have many trivial differences. It was about Jesus, period.
Really? Are you sure about that? ... thats not what I see in Paul's letters...
Krispy |
| 2005/4/15 16:10 | | MrBillPro Member
Joined: 2005/2/24 Posts: 3422 Texas
| Re: | | You will need four people puppets, one animal puppet (I use a sheep), a piece of plain paper and a marker.
SCRIPT:
HOST. Hello, and welcome to my show. Let me introduce you to my guests. Firstly we have Miss Know it all.
MISS KNOW IT ALL. Hi.
HOST. Next, we have Mr. Remember well.
MR. REMEMBER WELL. How are you all ?
HOST. Then we have Mr. Dont know a lot.
MR. DONT KNOW A LOT. Hello everybody.
HOST. And finally we have Shaun the sheep.
SHAUN. Baa. Baa.
HOST. Todays question is How do you get to heaven? Actually, thats rather an easy one. Everyone knows that if you are good, you go to heaven, but if you are bad, you dont. So, if you do more good things than bad ones you will go to heaven.
MISS KNOW IT ALL. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Thats not right. If we could all get to heaven by being good, there was no need for Jesus to come and die for us.
HOST. Oh ! You have a point there. So how can we get to heaven then Miss Know it all ?
MISS KNOW IT ALL. By believing. If you believe in God, you will go to heaven.
MR. REMEMBER WELL. What nonsense ! You are both wrong. Even the devil believes in God, but hes not going to get to heaven.
HOST. Give us your answer then Mr. Remember well.
MR. REMEMBER WELL. This is a question I have studied for fifty years, but I have finally found the answer. To get to heaven you need to be - - - - - - DEAD !
HOST. Amazing. And it only took you fifty years to find that out!
MR. REMEMBER WELL. Wait, theres more. As well as being dead, the Bible teaches that we need to be a Christian.
HOST. Now we are getting close. But how can a person become a Christian, Mr. Remember well ?
MR. REMEMBER WELL. I have no idea. It may take me another fifty years to find that out.
HOST. I am afraid that we havent got that long. Mr. Dont know a lot, can you help us out ?
MR. DONT KNOW A LOT. I certainly can. You become a Christian by going to church. Its as simple as that.
HOST. But that cant be right. If I went to live in my garage, that wouldnt turn me into a Motor car would it ? So going to church wouldnt turn me into a Christian. No, there must be another answer. Shaun, we are getting really desperate here. You are our last hope. Do you know how we can get to heaven ?
SHAUN. I can do better than that. I can give you the key that will unlock the gates of heaven.
HOST. You have a key to the gates of heaven ?
SHAUN. Yes. Its a combination lock, so can someone write down the numbers for us ?
SELF. I can do that Shaun.
SHAUN. The numbers are 511531.
SELF. (Write down the numbers, big enough for everyone to see, but as you do, bend the tops of the first and third 1 slightly to the right. Bend the top of the second 1 slightly to the left).
HOST. You mean thats the key that will get us into heaven ?
SHAUN. It sure is. Just turn the paper upside down, and have a look.
SELF. (Turning the paper upside down, to reveal the word JESUS). Shaun has given us the right answer. Jesus is the key to heaven. He said I am the way. Nobody comes to the Father, except by me."
Maurice Sweetsur
_________________ Bill
|
| 2005/4/15 16:49 | Profile | Rahman Member
Joined: 2004/3/24 Posts: 1374
| Re: Out of Church Christians | |
Brother Robert you wrote; "In time I believe that intense persecution will eliminate a lot of unnecessary schisms. We have the luxury today of dividing into thousands of different sects; but in time it will be no more. Historically you will find that the doctrinal divisions within the Church began as the persecution began to lift. When holding a meeting can cost you your life- trivial things seem to fade away".
i totally believe this also ... In affirmation this is an excerpt from a word i got and posted on a website i once had entitled:
"A WARNING" 9/24/01 Also the imminent continued chastisements coming upon America will force the Body of Christ in America, into a renewed sense of Christian community and sharing (Acts. 2: 44-47 & Act. 4:34). God is not pleased with the palsied effect that socio-economic, racial, doctrinal, and denominational schisms have wracked upon His Body (1 Cor. chapter 12). There is but "one Lord, one faith and one baptism"! (Eph . 4: 1-6). And we are all "equally" joint heirs in Christ (Rom. 8:17).
|
| 2005/4/15 17:33 | Profile | moreofHim Member
Joined: 2003/10/15 Posts: 1632
| Re: theology | | Yes, Krispy, there is a need for foundational truth but when under persecution I wonder how much "knowledge" we'll need. This young girl had no knowledge of theology or doctrines- yet she knew Jesus. Please read (from a xanga friend's journal from Uzbek.)
--This morning, before I had waken up, my Uzbek friend came to our house. She was a mess: with swollen eyes from crying, tangled hair, and scratches on her neck. Her father had beaten her the night before. She had red and blue bruises all along her arms, and even on her leg. He had also held a pair of scissors to her throat and cut her slightly so that she was badly scratched. Then, pulling her hair, he cut a lot of it off. I feel so bad for her
Last May, she gave her life to Jesus, and He has completely changed her. She was once a timid, overlooked girl. But now in Christ, she knows she is loved. She has so much inner strength. All of her relatives despise her decision to follow Christ, and often mock her. But she knows that Jesus is on her side. She often tells me when things are hard that shell sit and talk with God, because she knows that her Savior is the only One who will never let her down or hurt her. Thats amazing strength right there. I wish I could trust God like she does.
So, last night, as her father was beating her she cried out to God. Nothing happened, he just continued beating her. Then she became angry with God saying why arent you helping me if you have the power to do so?? Suddenly, she was reminded of Jesus. She remembered what Jesus endured for herthe cruel beatings, the slaps, the horrible deathand that gave her strength. Wow. My friend hasnt read the Bible completely, she knows nothing of theology, nor does she understand everything the Bible says. But she KNOWS GOD. She TRUSTS Him with all that she has. Isnt that what the Christian life is all about? --
In Him, Chanin
_________________ Chanin
|
| 2005/4/15 17:38 | Profile | DezCall Member
Joined: 2004/7/9 Posts: 315 The Netherlands
| Re: | | Quote:
She was a mess: with swollen eyes from crying, tangled hair, and scratches on her neck. Her father had beaten her the night before. She had red and blue bruises all along her arms, and even on her leg. He had also held a pair of scissors to her throat and cut her slightly so that she was badly scratched. Then, pulling her hair, he cut a lot of it off.
No words for this... :cry:
Quote:
She remembered what Jesus endured for herthe cruel beatings, the slaps, the horrible deathand that gave her strength. Wow. My friend hasnt read the Bible completely, she knows nothing of theology, nor does she understand everything the Bible says. But she KNOWS GOD. She TRUSTS Him with all that she has. Isnt that what the Christian life is all about? --
No words either... _________________ Paul
|
| 2005/4/16 4:26 | Profile |
| Re: right doctrine | | Is it truly possible to come together as a body with the wrong doctrine?
I don't want to pull teeth, but If the word speaks for itself, who can argue against it? So I present to you the Word.
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive"
And this one goes kind of hand in hand with this:
"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."
Tired
|
| 2005/4/23 21:37 | | Rahman Member
Joined: 2004/3/24 Posts: 1374
| | 2005/4/27 18:20 | Profile | taco Member
Joined: 2004/4/27 Posts: 211
| An entire felowship goes "out of church" | | Wayne Jacobsen interviews an ex-pastor (as in ex officail pastor) of fellowship that felt led of the Lord to disband, getting rid of their earthly buliding and positions.
You can listen to the story [url=http://www.thegodjourney.com/audio/journey5.mp3]here[/url]. |
| 2005/4/29 10:37 | Profile |
|