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 The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown

Does anyone know any good books that have investigated (and debunked) this book's claims?


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 Re: The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown

Breaking the Da Vinci Code (Unabridged) -- Darrell L. Bock, Ph.D.

This book may help but Plz remember the Da Vinci Code is a Work of Fiction and is sold as Such remind all who hold to of that Fact.


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AgesofWar wrote:
Breaking the Da Vinci Code (Unabridged) -- Darrell L. Bock, Ph.D.

This book may help but Plz remember the Da Vinci Code is a Work of Fiction and is sold as Such remind all who hold to of that Fact.



Yeah it's all fiction, but the crowd loves it, it's about that Jesus had a relation with Maria of Magdelah, that's what i've heard so far.

Here in holland it's a best-seller :-?

but you can find some reviews (christian an non-christian) about it, just search at google.


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Does anyone know any good books that have investigated (and debunked) this book's claims?


Most secular scientists and artists have already claimed that this is totally almost fictional and really has no grounding in reality. He is speaking and making claims in the book towards the Last Supper painting that are mere speculations. From an spiritual side of things its a powerful tool the devil is using to muddle and bring people into doubt about the Christian belief system, especially the catholic but that carries over to mainstream evangelism. I have skim read the book in 3 hours and really was saddened by the materials in there, alot of [b]very[/b] blahmesous statements given which try to say that all of what Christianity stands for is false.

The book promotes paganism and the worship of mother earth and that christian religion is an shadow of that true archtype. It is right along side the other best seller books "Hiram Key" and "The Blood and the Grail" which were written by freemassons of the 3rd rank and the "de vinci code" applauds the efforts of the other books. People with weak minds fall into these specualtive truths brought about in these books.

Here is a quote from someone who read the book:
"I liked the book because it honors the feminine, which has
been squashed and devalued in the church." - this book caters the the feministic spirit of this world.. antichrist spirits in this world that are opposed to the rule and riegn of God (kingdom of God) in their lifes.

Here is a book that seems to answer questions about the book from a biblical perspective:
[url=http://www.harvesthousepublishers.com/book.cfm?ProductID=6914390]The Truth behind the Davinici code[/url]


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Here is an article that deals with this topic quite well also:

[b]The Da Vinci Code: Secret hidden truth?[/b]
[i]A best seller rewrites the truth about the Bible
by Alex Williams

13 April 2004[/i]

The Devil is a liar and the father of lies, and the heart of man is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt.  Put the two together and you get a very toxic mix indeed.


We must expect, therefore, that the enemies of God will try every strategy possible to discredit the Bible.  The latest best-selling book in this mould (claimed on the author’s website to be one of the most widely read books of all time) is The Da Vinci Code, by Dan Brown.  The film rights have already been sold to Sony Pictures and a top director has been engaged to produce the film in 2005.


To the casual reader, it is nothing more than good fiction—a murder mystery that pits the keepers of the Holy Grail against Opus Dei—the ‘keepers’ of the Catholic church.  So why the outcry?  Well, one reason is that the first page makes a bold statement that the novel is based on historical fact—‘all descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents and secret rituals in this novel are accurate’ [emphasis mine].  At least one critic agrees and says ‘his research is impeccable.’


Impeccable research?


But impeccable it is not.1  For example, one of the heroes is an eminent historian called Sir Leigh Teabing.  He says, ‘To fully understand the Grail, we must first understand the Bible … The Bible did not arrive by fax from heaven … [it] is a product of man … not God … and it has evolved through countless translations, additions and revisions.  History never had a definitive version of the book. … Jesus Christ was a historical figure of staggering influence … his life was recorded by thousands of followers … more than eighty gospels were considered for the New Testament … Who chose which gospels to include? … The Bible, as we know it today, was collated by the pagan Roman emperor Constantine’ (p.231).  The plethora of historical fallacies continues unabated but this one-page sample is sufficient to illustrate the point.


The Bible testifies of itself that it is indeed ‘God-breathed’ (2 Timothy 3:16).  Men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God (2 Peter 1:21), and Jesus said ‘Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away’ (Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:33). Neither has its meaning been lost or corrupted through ‘countless translations.’ The original languages were Hebrew (OT, with a few sections in Aramaic) and Greek (NT).  Modern English versions, for example, are based on meticulously prepared composites of ancient Greek and Hebrew manuscripts, of which thousands are extant.  The Dead Sea Scrolls showed that copies of OT books from the first century BC were almost identical to the previously earliest Hebrew manuscripts from a thousand years later, so copying errors have not been a significant problem.


History certainly has had a ‘definitive version’.  The Latin Vulgate remained the definitive version for over a thousand years, and the subsequent divergence between Protestant and Catholic versions was based primarily on theological principles, not manuscript problems.  The content of the modern Protestant and Catholic Bibles, except for the few differences in the Old Testament, is all based on similar manuscript evidence.  No major doctrine is in any way obscured by manuscript differences.  Indeed, the very abundance of similar ancient manuscripts points unerringly to similar original sources.


It is misleading to say that Jesus Christ was an ‘historical person of staggering influence whose life was recorded by thousands of followers.’  He was at that time an obscure carpenter who lived and died within walking distance of His birthplace in a backwater of the Roman Empire.  His ‘staggering influence’ did not emerge until centuries later, as did the numerous false gospels—after all, there is no point in emulating a nobody.  As for Constantine making the choice of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the idea is laughable.


The gathering of the New Testament documents began within the first century.  Paul referred to Luke’s Gospel as ‘scripture’—graphè (1 Tim 5:18 cites both Deut. 25:4 and Luke 10:7 as such). Peter recognized that Paul’s writings were ‘scripture’—in 2 Peter 3:15–17 he refers to them as authoritative and then refers to ‘the other scriptures,’ and he warns his readers to beware of those who twist the meanings to their own destruction.


This process of recognizing the true and separating it from the false gained momentum in the second century when the heretic Marcion produced his own, very reduced, list of authorized books.  Since the caricature always comes after the original, this implies that the main features of the NT collection were in place at that time.  By the time of the Council of Nicaea in AD 325 (which Constantine convened, but it was the gathering of 318 bishops that made the decisions) the issue was not even debated.  The deliberations of the Council focused on the deity of Christ, and the authority of the four gospels on that subject was taken for granted by all the bishops present.  The final statements regarding formal recognition of the 27 books of the New Testament that we have today (what we call the Canon) were made at African synods (at Hippo and Carthage) in AD 393 and 397.2


It’s important to note that the Canon was decided by God and merely recognized by man.  Leading NT scholar F.F. Bruce put it well:


‘The NT books did not become authoritative for the Church because they were formally included in a canonical list; on the contrary, the Church included them in her canon because she already regarded them as divinely inspired, …. [Church] councils [did] not impose something new upon the Christian communities but codif[ied] what was already the general practice of those communities.’3


One of the world’s greatest authorities on the Greek New Testament, Bruce Metzger, pointed out:



‘You have to understand that the canon was not the result of a series of contests involving church politics. … . You see, the canon is a list of authoritative books more than it is an authoritative list of books. These documents didn't derive their authority from being selected; each one was authoritative before anyone gathered them together.’4



(See Q&A: Bible for the truth about the Bible’s inerrancy and Canon).


Errors—so what?


But surely other fictional books have made equally ignoble historical blunders—why worry about this one?  Well, this one puts together a ‘conspiracy theory’ with the help of some very powerful (and almost believable) real-life players—Leonardo Da Vinci, Opus Dei, and modern goddess-worshipping ‘historians’ who prefer the faked gospels to the real thing.  You see, the Holy Grail turns out not to be a chalice, but a person.  The Holy Grail is a woman—Mary Magdalene—who married and bore children to Jesus.  And there she is, for all the world to see, in Leonardo’s famous painting of The Last Supper—in the place of honour, at Jesus’ right hand (check it out for yourself).5


Brown uses his skill in fiction to weave an enticing tale about Jesus’ humanity, which allegedly necessarily includes marriage (and thus, they claim, denial of His deity). 


For the more knowledgeable, the story really falls apart when Brown claims the Gospel of Mary Magdalene to be an ‘unaltered’ (p.248) and therefore true account of these events (yet even the words he quotes from it betray its fraudulence).  However, this Gnostic ‘gospel’ is known only from three fragmentary manuscripts, and dates from the middle of the second century at the earliest.  Before this or any other Gnostic ‘gospel’ was written, the church far and wide recognized the authority of the four canonical gospels.  But a less knowledgeable soul might easily be duped.


Meanwhile, Opus Dei—a powerfully influential Catholic order—knows that their ‘secret’ is about to be exposed and they are determined to silence the investigation—thus the murders.  There follows a fanciful reconstruction of Christian history to explain why the original ‘true’ Christianity—which they say was a goddess cult—was displaced by the ‘misogynist patriarchal’ version we have today.


The value of history


Here is where we need to consider: what is our faith based upon—revealed truth, or secret hidden truth?  My faith is based upon revealed truth, in a written tradition that goes back to Moses (indeed, to Adam—Genesis 5:1).  Just before he died, Moses told the Israelites:



‘The secret things belong to the LORD our God; but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law … For this commandment which I command you this day is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.  It is not in heaven, that you should say, “Who will go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?”  Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, “Who will go over the sea for us, and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?”  But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.’ (Deuteronomy 29:29; 30:11–14).



The reason it was near to them was because God ensured it was written down for them (Exodus 31:18; Deuteronomy 31:9–13, 24–29).


There is no room in Christianity for hidden fundamentals.  Hidden depths, certainly, but God has made the fundamentals clear to us in writing so that we are without excuse if we do not heed His Word.  According to Jesus, the standard of judgment is the Word He has already spoken to us (John 12:48).  It logically follows that God will have provided a reliable record of that word for us, and true history testifies that it is so.  But beware of gifted novelists able to use their God-given talents in an attempt to undermine and deny His Word.


References and notes


A comprehensive critique with links to other critiques is given at A Review and Critique of The DaVinci Code. Return to text.

Schaff, P., History of the Christian Church, Vol.II Ante-Nicene Christianity A.D. 100–325, Eerdmans Publishing Co., Grand Rapids, 1910 & 1992, Ch. 138, pp. 516–524. Return to text.

Bruce, F.F., The New Testament Documents: Are they reliable? IVP, Downers Grove, Illinois, 1960. Return to text.

Metzger, B., interviewed in Strobel, L., The Case for Christ, Zondervan, Grand Rapids, MI, 1998. Return to text.

Leonardo Da Vinci was a brilliant 15th century artist and technological genius, not a Bible scholar, and he is described in the book as a ‘trickster.’  His curious painting displays artistic license, not necessarily biblical truth. Return to text.


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Thanks,
I needed this thoughtful article.


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There was an interesting documentary on this topic on British TV last week. A presenter, well known for his interest in archaeology did a thorough investigation into the claims of the Da Vinci Code and the book on which it was based “Holy Blood, Holy Grail”.

The writers of this book are currently suing Dan Brown for pinching their plot. Although Dan Brown’s book is as a work of fiction “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” written by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln is not. It appears in the Amazon listings under Religion & Spirituality/History.

The UK TV presenter Tony Robinson and his producer Simon Raikes, looked exhaustively into the modern 'theories'in the best-seller ‘Holy Blood / Holy Grail’. They demolished every single claim to historicity in the various aspects of the Blood Line theory; The Cathars, The Templars, the Priory of Sion, Rennes Le Chateau. Every single ‘fact’ was examined and shown to give absolutely no evidence for the notion of the Blood Line.

One of the co-authors of “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” admitted that it was purely hypothetical, and was acutely uncomfortable in front of the cameras. The whole thing from hypothesis to history to novel is absolute nonsense. There is no mention of the Holy Grail in history until a French work of fiction in the 12th century. Dan Brown, the author of the Da Vinci Code was ‘Too busy to be interviewed.’ I can believe this last part at least; he is probably spending most of his time running to the bank with the money that gullible folks are spending on this nonsense. :-x

The Times (London UK) did a review which you can read here


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I watched a show on the history channel about it and it was found to be unfounded. I mean Dan brown and some other lady were insisting that it was fact that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married and had children. Of course we all know that to be cowdung but these 2 were convinced beyond doubt. It's all a ploy by the enemy to keep us from being focused on the truth.


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Dan Brown, the author of the Da Vinci Code was ‘Too busy to be interviewed.’ I can believe this last part at least; he is probably spending most of his time running to the bank with the money that gullible folks are spending on this nonsense.



and his wallet runneth over...


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I wonder how the church in the first three centuries would view the postition of Christianity now. Back then it was an underground movement who had no rights, no public face except the arena and no public voice on any issue. Post Chrsitian societies is what we have now. As in the days of the Joshua and the Judges a generation has risen up who have not seen Egypt nor taken any land, they just inherited it, and it means nothing to them.

Any ephod will do as long as it has got something to do with christianity that has a secret knowledge, something hidden that knowone else has seen.


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