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So often we judge the behavior of a persons life and assume that he/she is " not saved " because they don't measure up to the mark.I often think how many on this site would attribute that same statement to King David at the time of his heinous crimes.The church at Corinth were engaging in absolute abhorrent behavior and yet they were still Pauls offspring in the gospel.I think so many of us need to consider ourselves lest we fall, as a again a man after Gods own heart stooped into the lowest place of depravity.I do not endorse any cheap grace,license to sin, on the contrary " Be ye Holy ".God delights in the humility of His people and not in the haughtiness of His people..my friends be slow to speak and swift to help the fallen.Never forget that there's a little bit of Judas in everyone one of us.
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"Pilgrim and Sojourner." - 1 Peter 2:11
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I believe this is a good point to consider. We must not follow the same error of the Corinthians in judging others, and being sectarian without the Spirit's leading. It would do us all good to review the community guidelines again:
We are excited for your participation in this online community focused on walking with the Lord in authentic discipleship and in the spirit filled life. The word revival is used much on the site and though it speaks of a larger work of God's Spirit in the earth which we pray and covet for it also conveys the simple surrendering of our lives to Jesus Christ fully and allowing Him to have His way through us. Such personal revival is something we can walk in because its biblical discipleship and the call of God for us. "Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did." (1 John 2:6). This is not something we do in our strength but as we are more and more dependent on our Heavenly Father he works this change in us (Galatians 2:20).
Here are some clear guiding principles for us all to agree with and have unity on as we endeavour to keep the unity of the faith in this discussion forum. "...striving together as one for the faith of the gospel." (Philippians 1:27).
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I appreciate your thoughts in sharing this and the spirit and attitude in which you share it. I wanted to say so in the recent thread that was closed. I apologize if I contributed in any negative way in that thread. I made a quick reply to what I read and likely should have paused and waited for my emtions to subside a bit which is always a good thing to do in any discussion. But I appreciate you posting what you have and I appreciate the standard in posting that sermonindex strives to maintain.
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trueblue.....So often we judge the behavior of a persons life and assume that he/she is " not saved " because they don't measure up to the mark.I often think how many on this site would attribute that same statement to King David at the time of his heinous crimes.
God is faithful and He continually surrounds us with His loving kindness and tender mercies. He extends His love and compassion towards us even though we do not deserve it. He knows our shortcomings and there is no sin so great that He will not forgive except that of total blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Whenever and whatever we confess, He promises to forgive and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. This is the good news of the gospel because our lives are marred with sin every day. Even the Apostle Paul was engaged in the battle for righteousness. Although he had been converted, he declared that he couldn't make himself do right. He wanted to do good, but he just couldn't. When he tried to do good, he didn't. And when he tried not to do wrong, he did it anyway (Romans 7:19). He counted himself as a total failure as far as his sinful nature was concerned, yet he knew that God's grace was sufficient for him.
We may think that the forgiveness and redemption of our sins and the sins of those about us is hopeless. Yet our sins will never be greater than the blood of Jesus, for His blood is able to wash away every stain and make us whiter than snow. We can look through the scriptures and find forgiveness on every level. After Peter declared the awesome revelation that Jesus was the Messiah, he cursed and even denied that he knew Jesus, but Jesus forgave him and caused him to be a great apostle. The woman at the well was living with a man that she was not married to, but when she encountered the forgiveness of Jesus, she became a witness to the entire city. Another woman was caught in the act of adultery, yet instead of condemning her, Jesus forgave her and rescued her from her accusers. King David found forgiveness not only for his sin of passion and adultery with Bathsheba but also for the premeditated murder of her husband, Uriah. The Apostle Paul did many things contrary to the Name of Jesus, and without mercy he persecuted the church. Yet Jesus met him on the road to Damascus, forgave him, changed his life, and called him to the ministry. Even in Jesus' most difficult hour, He extended forgiveness not only to the thief who hung on the cross beside Him, but also to the multitudes who had crucified Him without cause.
This is the wonderful Savior that we serve. Jesus looks beyond our sins and who we are and continues to be who He is. He is faithful and forgiving and doesn't turn us away when we fail. He looks at us through His eyes of love and remembers that He was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities. He paid a great price for our forgiveness. He is our Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel, and He always forgives all of our sins.
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Your post reminds me so much of my deep thoughts before I had died inside. I was very passionate in my faith. Because of that I looked for other passionate people. I was a bit black and white and not a whole lot of gray. I don't know if that is good or bad but when it came to the church I found 2 kinds of people. I found those who really didn't care that much and made excuses for their 'sins'. It is because they didn't take their belief seriously. I also found others who were more passionate about their faith but then they just got 'wierd' with it. Yet I didn't find a whole lot of those people along the way.
One thing we have to guard ourselves on, something which I did not, is that many in the church really don't take their faith seriously. It doesn't matter how much you hear them say 'Praise the Lord' 'Glory to God' 'Hallelujah' and so on. Passionate produces maturity and character and really this is what I sought out in christians. I really did have a desperate feeling in me to seek out the mature in God and during a year's time I became disillusioned with it because it seem these people just did not exist, at least to my reality that is.
Your post brings up these memories and causes me to reflect upon my own heart. I use a crutch these days, figuratively speaking with my faith. I battle for faith anymore and when I create my own posts on here it is a reflection of where my heart is and where it is searching. I have a couple deep ones in the pipe coming very soon. Just meditating on how to them effectively.
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Jesus proved this point and drove it home repeatedly during His time on Earth.
"But I tell you truly, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the land;
.. but to none of them was Elijah sent except to Zarephath, in the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow.
And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian.
Those souls born in Sidon and Syria were considered pigs and dogs in the eyes of the religious Jew. They literally were not considered people at all. The Pharisee's judged them unworthy. I believe that we will meet these two in Heaven, and we can talk to them about it all, and probably, those who rose against Jesus to murder him when He spoke this fact to them, we will not meet.
"So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy.
" Mercy triumphs over judgment."
It is a big thing in the eyes of God that we do not condemn, or wonder of the grace of God as to believe that we possess the hammer of judgment; However there is such a thing , like Jesus and the Apostles, to declare the Truth, and the sword of Truth will divide and condemn.
In the end, It is God who wields this sword, not man, and we should be careful and fear. Remember Ananias and Sapphira. It was God's sword that struck them dead carried by Peter. This is a fearful thing to claim to possess, but some are graced with this authority.
As for as a discussion board and opinions; it seems that there is yet hope for us all...........and you are right trueblue....there is a little bit of Judas in us all. I awake with him staring outside every day...as I lead him to his very own crucifixion.
" I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me."
Some days though, he slips into the crowd and runs away before I can get hold of him; Slippery rascal!
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Many people use David's fall into sin to quiet those who will speak out against it. But what does the record tell us?
2Samuel 12: NASB
1Then the LORD sent Nathan to David. And he came to him and said,
There were two men in one city, the one rich and the other poor.
2The rich man had a great many flocks and herds.
3But the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb
Which he bought and nourished;
And it grew up together with him and his children.
It would eat of his bread and drink of his cup and lie in his bosom,
And was like a daughter to him.
4Now a traveler came to the rich man,
And he was unwilling to take from his own flock or his own herd,
To prepare for the wayfarer who had come to him;
Rather he took the poor mans ewe lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.
5Then Davids anger burned greatly against the man, and he said to Nathan, As the LORD lives, surely the man who has done this deserves to die.
6He must make restitution for the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing and had no compassion.
7Nathan then said to David, You are the man! Thus says the LORD God of Israel, It is I who anointed you king over Israel and it is I who delivered you from the hand of Saul.
8I also gave you your masters house and your masters wives into your care, and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added to you many more things like these!
9Why have you despised the word of the LORD by doing evil in His sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword, have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the sons of Ammon.
10Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.
11Thus says the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight.
12Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun.
13Then David said to Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said to David, The LORD also has taken away your sin; you shall not die.
14However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die. 15So Nathan went to his house.
The problem with moderns is that when confronted with their sin they will work to justify it by finding fault with the 'prophet' - his method is too brash, harsh, you name it, it just was done done properly so they think they are off the hook. But they never consider Nathan's method in the way he talked to David. He was very blunt, to the point and did not mince words! Imagine how moderns would accept a challenge like Nathan gave to David!
What earned David the distinction as a man after God's own heart was his readiness to agree with God even when shown how he had sinned. He agreed with God! And so repented. But the consequences were still operative until he died.
When I am shown that I have sinned, how do I react? Defensively, or agree and repent? A challenge for all since we all have pride to deal with.
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14However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme,
I think we do not give much heed to this principle: the effect of our sin on the general public. What was true back then is just as true today. If you want to know all you have to do is check out the comments that follow the reports on CNN for any misconduct engaged in by a famous pastor... I cringe when I read those comments.
Seems to me this should be of great concern to us, don't you think?
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Deadn Quote: Your post reminds me so much of my deep thoughts before I had died inside.
Please explain what you mean?
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So often we judge the behavior of a persons life and assume that he/she is " not saved "
I'm challenged by Paul's words to the Galatians, "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." (Galatians 6:1)
I'm keyed in on the phrase, "...ye which are spiritual." I think we often think the spiritual folks are the ones walking around as if they never have an issue, but here we have the spiritual being defined as the ones restoring the fallen. This is not an excuse to sin, but when we love with God's love our focus is different. When we think like the world we see spirituality as a status to be attained in order to exalt over my neighbor. It is a worldly mindset. The spirit of meekness understands that we are all vulnerable and have no authority to cast the first stone. I think in the judgment we will face our criticism of others so we need to be very careful and treat each other as we would want to be treated. A faithful spirit seeks to cover (conceal) a matter. He who covers over an offense promotes love, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends. (Proverbs 17:9 NIV)
Robert Wurtz II
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