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 Jesus Used His Tongue To Encourage And Admonish Others by Zac Poonen


Jesus' speech was pure. No filthy word ever escaped His lips, and no idle word either. He always spoke the truth. There was no deceit in His mouth. No one could ever engage Jesus in a conversation about how to make more and more money (beyond one's needs). He was just not interested in such matters. His mind was set on things above and not on things on earth. No doubt, He used material things, but He did not love them, nor was He attached to any of them.

Jesus never belittled others or passed remarks or jokes about others that hurt them. He never made any subtle wounding statements. He never discussed the shortcomings of His disciples behind their backs. It is truly amazing that in three years, He never exposed Judas before the other eleven disciples - for even at the last supper, the eleven could not guess who was going to betray their Master.

Jesus used His tongue to encourage and admonish others, thereby making His tongue an instrument of life in God's Hand. He used His tongue to speak soothing words to the weary (Isa. 50:4), and also as a sword to cut down the proud and the haughty (Isa. 49:2).

How greatly encouraged the Roman centurion and the Syrophoenician woman must have felt when they heard Jesus praise them for their faith, publicly (Mt. 8:10; Mt. 15:28).

The sinful woman who was praised for her love (Lk. 7:47) and Mary of Bethany who was praised for her sacrificial offering (Mk. 14:6) would never have forgotten the words of Jesus.

How strengthened Peter must have been through Jesus' assurance that He would pray for him (Lk. 22:32). Just a few words, but what strength and encouragement they conveyed.

Many others must have heard words from Jesus' lips that lifted their weary spirits, for it says in Isaiah 50:4 that Jesus listened daily to His Father's voice so that He might have an appropriate word for the weary souls that came across His path each day.

He rebuked James and John for seeking places of honour and for wanting to take revenge on the Samaritans (Mt. 20:22,23; Lk. 9:55). And He rebuked His disciples seven times for their unbelief.

Jesus was never afraid of speaking the truth, even if it hurt others, for His heart was filled with love for them. He was not concerned whether His reputation for kindness would be lost by speaking strong words. He loved others more than Himself and so He was willing to sacrifice His reputation in order to help them. Therefore He spoke the truth firmly, lest men be ruined eternally. The eternal welfare of men mattered far more to Him than their opinions of Him.
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 Re: Jesus Used His Tongue To Encourage And Admonish Others by Zac Poonen

After over thirty years of wandering in the wilderness the people of Israel again forgot the lessons they had learned through their rebellion. When they came to the wilderness of Zin and found no water they once again contended with Moses and Aaron, uttering many unpleasant words. God nevertheless was not angry with them. He merely commanded to take the rod and speak to the rock that it might give water. Moses took the rod, a symbol of God’s authority, in his hands. However, he was so provoked by anger that he called the people rebels and then, ignoring God’s command, he smote the rock twice with the rod. He erred, yet water still flowed out of the rock.

Because of this, God reprimanded His servant, saying, “You did not believe in me, to sanctify me in the eyes of the people of Israel.” It meant that Moses had not set God apart from himself and Aaron. He had misrepresented God, for it was of himself that he had had a wrong spirit and had thus spoken wrongly and smote wrongly. God seemingly remonstrated with Moses on this wise: “I saw my people thirsty and was willing to give them to drink, so why did you scold them?” God did not reprove the people, but Moses did. And so he gave the people of Israel a wrong impression about God, as though God were fierce and reviling and lacking in grace.

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 2012/6/8 15:01
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Hello amr,

This story that Nee coments on is one of those stories of the Bible that scholars have been trying to figure out for centuries. We do not really know what was it that Moses said or did that was sinful. Was it the act of stricking the rock instead of speaking to it or was it that he said" SHALL WE bring you water" attributing glory to himself instead of to God. We can not really know for sure.


Now you quoted Nee saying: " God did not reprove the people, but Moses did. And so he gave the people of Israel a wrong impression about God, as though God were fierce and reviling and lacking in grace."


In order to take that position one has to discredit all Bible accounts about God judging sin or sending His prophets with hard messages of rebuke, don't you think?


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James 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.


Moses was considered by God as being the meekest man in all the earth but he smote the rock (twice) because he had allowed anger to build up in him. God had said:

Numbers 20:7 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

8 Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.

9 And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him.

10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.


Moses took matters into his own hands because He had allowed the people to frustrate him but He hit the rock twice (that represented Christ), God had told him to speak to the rock because He wanted to be sanctified before the eyes of the people. We must remember that Jesus was crucified for the people only once and it was God who really smote Him for our sins.

God is good and it is the goodness of God that leads man to repentance.

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Jesus used His tongue to encourage and admonish others, thereby making His tongue an instrument of life in God's Hand. He used His tongue to speak soothing words to the weary (Isa. 50:4), and also as a sword to cut down the proud and the haughty (Isa. 49:2).

How greatly encouraged the Roman centurion and the Syrophoenician woman must have felt when they heard Jesus praise them for their faith, publicly (Mt. 8:10; Mt. 15:28).

The sinful woman who was praised for her love (Lk. 7:47) and Mary of Bethany who was praised for her sacrificial offering (Mk. 14:6) would never have forgotten the words of Jesus.

How strengthened Peter must have been through Jesus' assurance that He would pray for him (Lk. 22:32). Just a few words, but what strength and encouragement they conveyed.

Many others must have heard words from Jesus' lips that lifted their weary spirits, for it says in Isaiah 50:4 that Jesus listened daily to His Father's voice so that He might have an appropriate word for the weary souls that came across His path each day.

He rebuked James and John for seeking places of honour and for wanting to take revenge on the Samaritans (Mt. 20:22,23; Lk. 9:55). And He rebuked His disciples seven times for their unbelief.

Jesus was never afraid of speaking the truth, even if it hurt others, for His heart was filled with love for them. He was not concerned whether His reputation for kindness would be lost by speaking strong words. He loved others more than Himself and so He was willing to sacrifice His reputation in order to help them. Therefore He spoke the truth firmly, lest men be ruined eternally. The eternal welfare of men mattered far more to Him than their opinions of Him.



The power of life and death are in our tongues. May we seek God so that our tongues will be used for His glory and not speak cursing and blessing at the same time (James 3:10). Many profess with their tongues a great boast in theology and christianity yet with the same tongues defile themselves during the week.

God love to us many times is the strong warnings that are given to us from the very Son of God to our hearts.


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 Re: Jesus Used His Tongue To Encourage And Admonish Others by Zac Poonen

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Hello amr,

This story that Nee coments on is one of those stories of the Bible that scholars have been trying to figure out for centuries. We do not really know what was it that Moses said or did that was sinful. Was it the act of stricking the rock instead of speaking to it or was it that he said" SHALL WE bring you water" attributing glory to himself instead of to God. We can not really know for sure.

Now you quoted Nee saying: " God did not reprove the people, but Moses did. And so he gave the people of Israel a wrong impression about God, as though God were fierce and reviling and lacking in grace."

In order to take that position one has to discredit all Bible accounts about God judging sin or sending His prophets with hard messages of rebuke, don't you think?



Hello UntoBabes

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Then Moses and Aaron came in from the presence of the assembly to the doorway of the tent of meeting and fell on their faces. Then the glory of the Lord appeared to them; and the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, Take the rod; and you and your brother Aaron assemble the congregation and speak to the rock before their eyes, that it may yield its water. You shall thus bring forth water for them out of the rock and let the congregation and their beasts drink. So Moses took the rod from before the Lord, just as He had commanded him; and Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly before the rock. And he said to them, Listen now, you rebels; shall we bring forth water for you out of this rock? Then Moses lifted up his hand and struck the rock twice with his rod; and water came forth abundantly, and the congregation and their beasts drank. Numbers 20:6-10



It is interesting to note that before he sinned he fell on his face with Aaron in front of the assembly and then the Glory of the Lord appeared to them. It was in this context that Moses sinned. The command was to speak to the Rock. Yet Moses struck the Rock, not once but twice. He also curses the people by pointing to their rebellion... A thing which he was not asked to do!

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Then all the congregation of the sons of Israel journeyed by stages from the wilderness of Sin, according to the command of the Lord, and camped at Rephidim, and there was no water for the people to drink. Therefore the people quarrelled with Moses and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said to them, why do you quarrel with me? Why do you test the Lord? But the people thirsted there for water; and they grumbled against Moses and said, why, now, have you brought us up from Egypt, to kill us and our children and our livestock with thirst? So Moses cried out to the Lord, saying, what shall I do to this people? A little more and they will stone me. Then the Lord said to Moses, Pass before the people and take with you some of the elders of Israel; and take in your hand your staff with which you struck the Nile, and go. Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock at Horeb; and you shall strike the rock, and water will come out of it that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel. He named the place Massah and Meribah because of the quarrel of the sons of Israel, and because they tested the Lord, saying, Is the Lord among us, or not? Exodus 17:1-7.



This Scripture is the moment that the place Meribah was named. It was here that the people quarrelled with Moses , and tested the Lord, because they were concerned that he had brought them to a place in which there was no water. They were so angry with Moses that he thought that he would be stoned. The Lord gave Moses a clear instruction about how to provide for Israel, which he followed to the letter. The naming of this place from Horeb, to Massah and Meribah reflects the two aspects of the peoples fear in arguing and then in testing the Lord Who had in fact commanded Moses to take the people to this place and not something Moses just decided to do. This event took place thirty years or so from the passage in Numbers 20:6-10

I think that Nee is drawing out the idea that one who is truly anointed must be especially careful how he treats the people. Even though they were argumentative and rebellious, God still decided to supply them with their most essential needs.

What Moses sin really was may well be a mixture of disobeying a command to “speak”, rather than to “strike”. As well as failing to remember that it was he who was anointed and not the people so he could have shown a better and more gracious attitude to the people. Instead he demands that they listen and calls them rebellious. True anointing carries with it responsibilities to keep one’s own self out of God’s work.

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For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and all ate the same spiritual food; and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:1-4.



In Christ we are told to love one another. This could hardly be measured in cursing God’s people. If Jesus spoke harshly then it wasn’t harshness at all it was truth and love. It always led to repentance where there was a willing heart. As to the speech of a prophet today it would be better exercised in the same spirit in which Moses was commanded to “speak” and not to “strike” if they are to easily enter the kingdom of heaven.

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rbanks,you said:

" He hit the rock twice (that represented Christ), ... We must remember that Jesus was crucified for the people only once and it was God who really smote Him for our sins."

I don't know where you see that in the text.That is called over-interpretation and can be harmful.
Like I said, we don't really know what moses sin was except that he did or said something that God considered sinful because by it he failed to hallow God in front of the people.

We at least know that the sin most likely a verbal one from Psalm 106

Ps 106:32 They angered him also at the waters of strife, so that it went ill with Moses for their sakes:
Ps 106:33 Because they provoked his spirit, so that he spake unadvisedly with his lips.

But just because that some text says God told him to speak to the rock and the other text shows that he both hit the rock and spoke to it is not enough proof that God did not instruct him to hit it as well.
It could be that the first text is lacking some detail.

That reminds me of Genesis, when Eve told the serpent that God comanded them to not eat from not TOUCH the tree while the first text shows God commanding Adam not to eat from the tree but no mention of a prohibition to touch it.
Well, some people say that some of the reasons Eve ended up sinning is that she added to the comandment of God.
That is utter nonesense. There is no proof for that. All that is to it is that the first text may be lacking some detail that is supplied by the latter text.
That is a very common thing in the Bible.




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amr, you said:

" Instead he demands that they listen and calls them rebellious. True anointing carries with it responsibilities to keep one’s own self out of God’s work."

True, but calling the people rebellious when they in fact were is also part of this responsibility. Just read the prophets, or some sermons by some annointed preachers like Wesley or Whitefield.


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amr, you said:

" Instead he demands that they listen and calls them rebellious. True anointing carries with it responsibilities to keep one’s own self out of God’s work."

True, but calling the people rebellious when they in fact were is also part of this responsibility. Just read the prophets, or some sermons by some annointed preachers like Wesley or Whitefield.



UntoBabes

I was reminded of this very thing today and at the time I didn’t understand the implications of what I was being reminded off. It was shared with me that prophecy should be heard in the context of a local church and that it could therefore be accepted or rejected by those who heard it. In other words it needs to be heard with the ear. By implication if this is true then to fully understand Whitfield and Wesley you would have had to have heard them yourself. If this is also true then you may well have had to have been the subject of their rebukes which you had eluded too. The same could be said for the prophets. Their words were heard in their day. We have them today as a warning, but we are not the subject or object of their words. Moses represents both the Law and the Prophets under the old covenant, which is why Israel was said to have been baptised into Moses.

The words of Jesus on the other hand were living words and so they can and do speak to us today. I don’t see this explanation as a full picture but I do see that it must be true in essence. I can see that it would be possible to argue around it, but when you bring into the equation the issue of spiritual authority and power of God which comes by authority of God, then it is possible to harm people by exercising power without obedience to God’s leading. Moses was led but when he struck the Rock he disobeyed. Because he had real anointing and thereby real power, his disobedience still produced a real outcome. Imagine if one were to speak and then someone dropped down dead because you had spoken; only to realise afterwards that you should not have spoken. If God has truly anointed then He will not deny His choosing. Think of Elisha who cursed the youths and forty two were devoured by wild bears. No doubt they shouldn’t have called him “baldy”. But they were only youths for all that. Israel shouldn’t have been rebellious in the wilderness yet they were and Moses should have obeyed God who didn’t in that hour choose to call them rebellious.

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How do you draw the conclusion that God at that hour didn't choose to call them rebellious.


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