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As someone who was healed of pulmanory fibrosis, an incurable disease, I can relate my own experience. The doctors told me that the disease was not curable, and that the fibrosis was irreversible. I had stage three of a stage four disease and stage four was lung transplants. They told me that I could have many years if I went on high doses of predinisone, 60-80 mg per day, but that the steroids would , over time, be possibly worse than the illness but that there was no choice. I took the prednisone for two weeks and one morning the Lord spoke to me, He basicly said " there is another way," and asked me trust Him. I knew exactly what He was asking and decided to follow His direction. I told everyone that I was coming off the medication and putting my life in the hands of the Lord, my wife and the pulmanory specialist were the hardest people to tell. To cut a long story short and I have shared the testimony before, three months later my mother called me from Scotland and told me that the Spirit had spoken to her and that the Lord was going to heal me. Two days later I went to the specialist and my lungs were clear, the disease was gone, that was 18 years ago.

Two pricipals I took from that. 1. " Do what He tells you to do," from John 2 and " love not your life unto death." And so, I believe that we see so little healing nowadays because we choose to trust doctors and their ways. Now, I am not against doctors and over the years I have had several surgeries and I take blood pressure meds and so on, but I am just not sure that the Lord is willing to share His glory with anyone. And often times treatments from doctors work and often times it does not. When it works we say " thank God for the miracle," and when it does not we say many things. I guess if we follow what He tells us to do, not conventional wisdom, we can never go wrong and we may see many more miracles...........bro Frank

 2012/4/28 9:55
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Amen Christian I agree that we are not to judge others and we cannot know another man’s heart. This is not the purpose of the thread but only to understand the word of God concerning healing. I have tried to stay with the scriptures as best I understand them as the Spirit leads me and also bringing glory to the Lord Jesus Christ our healer.

Amen brother Frank on your testimony that truly brings glory to God. This is the purpose of this thread and also the many scriptures in the gospels of people getting healed was according to their faith.


Mark 5:25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,
26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,
27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.
29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.
30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?
31 And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?
32 And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing.
33 But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth.
34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.


Notice how Mark brought out that she suffered many things of many physicians and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse. When she heard of Jesus, oh praise the Lord, notice what she did and how eager she was to touch just a piece of His clothes and the faith she had in her heart and the confession of her faith in the Lord that she would be well. Immediately the blood dried up and she felt it in her body that she was healed. This is an awesome testimony!


Brother Frank your testimony made me think of her testimony.


Blessings…from brother rbanks

 2012/4/28 11:37Profile
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Hi Banks, I agree with you that these days the Lord doesn't appear to be healing to any great extent, at least here in the western world. Far too many of God's people are sick these days, including myself.

Not too many decades ago there were many healing evangelists on the scene; this has for the most part dried up now.

What is the problem? For one thing, I believe God has something greater in mind than healings by the great evangelist that comes to town. I believe He wants healing to be a function of the body of Christ among "ordinary" Christians. But do we see this to any great extent? I hope the present situation causes us all to be seeking God earnestly about this.

But in my estimation the main concern is this. There are so many who need healing these days. But what do we seek? Healing? Or, the Healer?

I believe the answer to the present state of things lies in our need to see the Healer--not way up in Heaven-- but present in our midst. Then we will see the healings we need and long for.

I think that's our greatest need. We have so little of His Presence in our midst these days.

Allan


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 2012/4/28 12:29Profile
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Amen brother Trekker for the scriptures you provided.

Whereas I agree that there are many who do not receive answers because of little faith as pointed out in this forum, I believe it is inaccurate at best to say that this is the reason many believers continue to suffer with disease.

We experience sickness, hurt, disappointment, need etc. because we live in a fallen world. But God uses all these situations in the life of a believer for His glory and to conform the believer more and more to the image of Christ, whether it be through instant healing or allowing us to experience a "thorn in the flesh" for a season.

Please, let's not come to the conclusion that sickness cannot be used to glorify God. The scriptures tell us that God Himself suffered the Apostle Paul to have a thorn in the flesh for his own good, so that he would not be puffed up with pride. To human wisdom, the thorn in the flesh appears to be a hindrance, but in God's ultimate plan, it is a restrainer of sorts.

Historical Christians and the fathers of the faith like David Brainerd rejoiced in infirmity, and believed that whether it be through healing or suffering, God's Will will be done in their lives. This view of "if you're not receiving healing then is may be that you're of little faith" started with the prosperity gospel and is a very recent doctrine. The same gospel teaches the same about acquiring wealth, happiness, worldly success etc. I tell you, it crushes the faith and hope of many a believer.

My dear friends, let us reconsider, and remember the sovereignty of God in all situations. Yes, let us, like Paul, pray fervently for healing, but let us also rest in the fact that God is sovereign, healing or no healing and that His Will will be done in the life of the believer.

 2012/4/28 12:35Profile
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Amen brother Allan and it’s good to hear from you and it’s also been a while since we share on a thread and I’m glad you did. I agree with Jesus being the main one we are to look to in faith.

I also believe God is looking for a person who will consider the cost and give up everything including his life and his own will to be used by God to minister the way Jesus did during His earthly ministry. I see the apostles operated in the gift of the Holy Spirit doing miracles because they had given up everything to be all and do all that Jesus apprehended them for.

1 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1 Corinthians 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

1 Thessalonians 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

Acts 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:

Acts 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Acts 5:15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.

Acts 5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.


Blessings…from brother rbanks

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Dlight says..........

"Historical Christians and the fathers of the faith like David Brainerd rejoiced in infirmity, and believed that whether it be through healing or suffering, God's Will will be done in their lives. This view of "if you're not receiving healing then is may be that you're of little faith" started with the prosperity gospel and is a very recent doctrine. The same gospel teaches the same about acquiring wealth, happiness, worldly success etc. I tell you, it crushes the faith and hope of many a believer."

Amen to that. I have spent almost 20 years speking against that kind of " faith." That is one of the reasons that I do not mention the healing too often. I would rather focus on doing what the Lord tells you to, that small still voice, being led by the Spirit. The Lord has also greatly prospered me , but I would very rarely mention that because of the horrendous nature of the prospertiy gsopel and the word of faith movement. Yet in all things there must be balance, why would we let the devil rob us of speaking a testimony to the glory of God?

I would like to add for balance, I have suffered from chronic pain for 18 years. As a stonemason, I fell from the scaffold and herniated 3 discks,two in my neck and one in my lower back and they told me that I had degenerative disk disease, arthritis and sciatica. In the last five years I have had both shoulders operated on. I am sure the name it anc claimers would have a lot to say about that, but my Lord tells me that His grace is sufficiant for me. So, whether I live or whether I die, whether I am healed or whether I am not, whether I am rich or whether I am poor, whether in pain or pain free I will praise the Lord, I will be content. So the simple principals are, obey the Lord, praise the Lord. Speak when He says speak, go when He says go. Perhaps the crisis of the age is a lack of the presence of God in the life of the believer and his ability to hear that small still voice? ..........bro Frank

 2012/4/28 15:09









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The LORD seems to be healing just as many as ever, from all the reports that I receive, but at the same time, we mustn't judge, as He also is taking some Home.
I was just doing a study on these verses below - though I'm not finished yet, I think we'd do well to also consider that there are some of us that like Paul, would rather depart and be with The LORD and some that He is taking Home for a 'good' reason and not re-ignite what others have promoted about "illness" from the Hagin/Copeland gang, that brought untold guilt where there shouldn't have been. I used to care for the sick, from age 16 and since 2002 have met very many Christians, through forums for the disabled and in person, like Joni and Friends, that some of these ideas that people have of them are hurtful and unfounded.

These are the verses the LORD has laid on my heart again today ...


Isa 57:1,2 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Psalm 12.


From "The Treasury of David" by Spurgeon on Psalm 12:1 - Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.

“For the godly man ceaseth;” the death, departure, or decline of godly men should be a trumpet-call for more prayer.
They say that fish smell first at the head, and when godly men decay, the whole commonwealth will soon go rotten. We must not, however, be rash in our judgment on this point, for Elijah erred in counting himself the only servant of God alive, when there were thousands whom the Lord held in reserve. The present times always appear to be peculiarly dangerous, because they are nearest to our anxious gaze, and whatever evils are rife are sure to be observed, while the faults of past ages are further off, and are more easily overlooked. Yet we expect that in the latter days, “because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold,” and then we must the more thoroughly turn from man, and address ourselves to the Churches' Lord, by whose help the gates of hell shall be kept from prevailing against us.
“The faithful fail from among the children of men;” when godliness goes, faithfulness inevitably follows; without fear of God, men have no love of truth. Common honesty is no longer common, when common irreligion leads to universal godlessness. David had his eyes on Doeg, and the men of Ziph and Keilah, and perhaps remembered the murdered priests of Nob, and the many banished ones who consorted with him in the cave of Adullam, and wondered where the state would drift without the anchors of its godly and faithful men. David, amid the general misrule, did not betake himself to seditious plottings, but to solemn petitionings; nor did he join with the multitude to do evil, but took up the arms of prayer to withstand their attacks upon virtue.

 2012/4/28 15:11
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Did Jesus ever inflict someone with sickness to "teach them a lesson?"

Heb. 1:3


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I understand what you are saying Frank and I too suffer from many afflictions. I have also experience the Lord’s touch and deliverance from many things. I still believe to let God be true and every man a liar and that all of our justification must be in the Lord.

I have come to an understanding that just because others have abused the word of truth does not mean that we must let it hinder us from believing all the word of God. Take for example the abuse of the prosperity preachers and the word of faith preachers concerning how they don’t rightly divide the word of truth and also promote materialism and lead people into covetousness, greed and false hope but even though they do this, I refuse to let it hinder me from believing the promises of God.

I truly believe in denying myself and taking up the cross but I also believe that Jesus is the greatest Love and the greatest lover of all time throughout all eternity. I believe all His word and promises and if I am not walking in all His truth then the problem is with me and not with him. I believe that he shall supply all my needs and even bless me with more than I could ever deserve. I believe that my sickness brings him glory when I learn of Him and endure it with faith in my heart that he knows the way that I take and that I believe it brings Him greater glory to believe and receive healing from Him.

I believe to some extent we have “what we except in our heart of faith to have” and the difference is our faith in Him. I believe this is what Jesus preached all through the gospels and this is what the apostles preached and lived “that without faith it is impossible to please God”. I feel like much is being lost today because we are more concern with the doctrines of men than in just reading, meditating, and reciting the pure word of God. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God and doctrines of men can sometimes water down our faith to believe all that he has said. I think, although some would deny it, that many times we are afraid to trust God for everything but there must be a building up of our faith in the Lord to trust Him fully and this can only come by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

We should love all the miracles that Jesus did in the gospels and shouldn’t try to down play them at all but should read them over and over letting faith arise in our heart. We shouldn’t love to see people suffer more than we love to see people healed and blessed. Jesus didn’t love to see people suffer sickness because if he did then why did He heal all that came to Him.

Blessings…from brother rbanks

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Did Jesus ever inflict someone with sickness to "teach them a lesson?"

Jesus no, but God certainly does.

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of My hand.

Lamentations 3:33 For He doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.

When He does afflict us...

Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Chastisement can come under many different umbrellas including sickness as in the case of Hezekiah King of Judah. His chastisement caused Him to repent and he received restoration. Others He leaves to refine them further as was Joseph in prison for several years. Prisons can come in many different forms. Franks prison is being in a body wracked with pain, the great thing about his testimony is that he has learned to praise God through it.







 2012/4/28 19:35





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