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'Please explain to me how, in the light of this PROMISE, you would explain the starvation of Corrie tenBoom's Christian sister and father in the concentration camps. I really need to know the answer to this issue. Thank you.'

For a true mature christian to live is Christ and to die is gain. God didnt promise a prosperity gospel, but trials temptations and persecution. How wonderful when we have times of peace, but those times are fading...

 2012/4/25 20:07
dvndsn
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 Re: Sinning to Meet Needs

God calls sinning to meet ones own needs a sin. It's quite simple really. God definitely meets all our needs, once you understand this you will see the error of your ways.

He met all of our needs on the Cross when He paid for our sins. What more do we need other than Christ's sacrifice for our sin? You call intimacy and touch a need, yet in the same thread water too. Throw any examples down and you can come back to the simple answer that all our needs were met on the Cross!

If everything in the world disappeared today except for Christ and the Cross, what you are saying is your needs would not be met. You would still be demanding more and more. This thread is speaking wrongly against my great and awesome God! We could have brought Him more glory brothers and sisters if this thread never came to be, think about it.

 2012/4/25 20:11Profile









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As gently as I know how to say it - I believe your understanding of God and meeting needs is wrong. If a girl is a believer, she doesn't NEED to have sexual intimacy. In fact, she has less of a "NEED" than a man her age. He has physical physiological processes in his body that work on a 36-72 hour cycle to produce leutunizing hormone, human chronic gonadotropin, sperm count peaks, etc. He "NEEDS" intimacy more than a woman if there's an argument there at all. Fact is, part of our American culture we aren't even aware of the full depths of: we don't even know the difference between wants/needs.
As far as the soldier who went off to war and came back with PTSD, that's altogether different, because nothing you described sounded to me like he was a believer born of God's Spirit. God always meets the needs of His children. We define needs differently than He does. We are just wrong cause He's God and He's always right. Forget what you/I think, go back and read all the scriptures a previous poster quoted. He ALWAYS meets the needs of His children. If He chose that I would one day be chosen to suffer or even die for Him, I'd still know that He always gave me all I needed. I've been to prison with nothing in the world's eyes, but God's presence was so strong there with me & I had His Word, so I knew I really had ALL I NEEDED!!!

 2012/4/25 20:14
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QUOTE: "Note that this mans problem was a result of his poor choice to volunteer for the US army."==JIMDIED2SIN


Woooooooeeeeee. That doesn't fly, Brother. There were plenty of WWI and WWII and Vietnam vets who were DRAFTED and suffered the same or similar fate. Besides, God/Jesus allows for war and soldiers in His Word. He gave commandment in the NT about soldiers and he also allowed David to wage war under the OT.




QUOTE: " Yet I guess the real question is where are the christians full of the Holy Ghost who can impart the power of God into this mans life to set him free from his demons?

That is the more important question for all of us. That is the one that might keep me up tonight."==JIMDIED2IN




Good point! Wish i knew.

 2012/4/25 20:21Profile









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"Besides, God/Jesus allows for war and soldiers in His Word. He gave commandment in the NT about soldiers and he also allowed David to wage war under the OT. "

Again, I guess it depends if you are saying this man is a professing christian or not..

 2012/4/25 20:33
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QUOTE: "If He chose that I would one day be chosen to suffer or even die for Him, I'd still know that He always gave me all I needed. I've been to prison with nothing in the world's eyes, but God's presence was so strong there with me & I had His Word, so I knew I really had ALL I NEEDED!!!"==JEFFMAR



This may be the best answer i've "heard" here. I have a lot of respect for you Jeffmar, so i am apt to listen. : P
But what of the person who is suffering the aforementioned needs but didn't have or experience God's presence as you did? I guess God would give them more grace than if a Christian who had His presence went off into sin? Hmm.

Well, some of this question comes from my anguish and grief over so many people going to Hell. I guess that is where it initially originated.

 2012/4/25 20:34Profile









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Which scriptures in the NT show that "God/Jesus allow for soldiers and war"? Just curious. Jesus told Peter to put away his sword, for those who live by the sword, die by it. What scripture/s are you referring to exactly? (Not looking to start a seperate discussion where we all give examples, stories, analogies, etc. - just the exact scriptures you were referring to - FYI)
God Bless

 2012/4/25 20:35
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QUOTE: ""Besides, God/Jesus allows for war and soldiers in His Word. He gave commandment in the NT about soldiers and he also allowed David to wage war under the OT. "

Again, I guess it depends if you are saying this man is a professing christian or not.."==JIMDIED2SIN


How so?? But yes, i did say he was a professing Christian. As i recall he was baptized and everything as well. It MIGHT even have been the case that he BECAME a Christian AFTER returning home, WHILE he was suffering from PTSD but i cant recall for certain. Wish i could remember his name because the whole news story would be online somewhere. It was just gut-wrenching and really upset me.

 2012/4/25 20:40Profile









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A girl commits fornication because she NEEDS to? Doesn't sound like she's trusting God for His timing in a husband!!

Ah gee, this is a tricky one. You know this did happen in bible times. Remember Tamar? She had already two of Judah's sons and both had died and he promised her his youngest boy when he came of age and Judah had forgotten about the arrangement. So Tamar disguises herself as a harlot and stands in the red-light district waiting for Judah to come along to which he obliged. Her 'need' was to raise up seed of her dead husband and nothing was coming of it. In the end, Judah was guilty and called her righteous. Who knew!

Fornication, adultery, lying, sneaking around, bribes, children that will have no father, what a mess! All for a 'need'.

ugh!!

 2012/4/25 20:44
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QUOTE: "Which scriptures in the NT show that "God/Jesus allow for soldiers and war"? Just curious."==JEFFMAR


I can't find the exact scripture i am thinking of but a search of blueletterbible.org brought up numerous references to soldier(s) and no where in the OT or NT is being a soldier ever condemned as far as i can tell. I think the verse i am thinking of was in the same book or chapter where Paul talked about how to behave towards our bosses, as servants, etc. Can't recall if that was book of Tim. or another...memory problems today...




QUOTE: "Ah gee, this is a tricky one. You know this did happen in bible times. Remember Tamar? She had already two of Judah's sons and both had died and he promised her his youngest boy when he came of age and Judah had forgotten about the arrangement. So Tamar disguises herself as a harlot and..."==APPROVED




Oh yea! Don't know if SHE ever prayed first though. But the story showed Judah's hypocrisy and is highly representative of the double standard that men even today have. Men always condemn and despise hookers and prostitutes yet they go out and seek them!! And they buy porn! That is hypocrisy.

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