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Will American Christians accept a man who totaly rejects the Biblical Jesus and denies that Jesus is God? I believe this will be a first and another sign of the direction of the country...........bro Frank
in the blink of an eye, and without hesistation, under the most powerful delusion imaginable, it has happened, it is happening and will continue to happen, to the point if dont say "yes and amen" to those who say they are Jews(North American evangelical Christians) but are not, you will either be put out of this "synagogue of satan", the buildings, grand edifices that CALL themselves "churches", but are NOT, or you will be put to the death.
and it wont be by those who worship 'allah', or those who practice sexual immorality, it will be BY THOSE WHO SAY, "Lord, Lord"......by those who have been decieved by that whore of babylon, yet pitch their tent in the midst of those who ONLY know, "Jesus Christ and Him Crucified"...the meek and humble sheep of Jesus, who do not bow a knee a baal, will be killed, by the 'white washed' neo-pharisees that have utterly polluted this Most Holy Faith.
there is only one direction this country is headed towards, the Judgement of God.
to whom much has been given.............
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"in the blink of an eye, and without hesistation, under the most powerful delusion imaginable,"
Yes indeed brother. These things are revealed by the Spirit........bro Frank
| 2012/4/21 10:09|
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In Rev.18 God is calling forth a peole to come out of Babylon and be separate. For a believer who thinks with the mind of Christ, who has been transformed by the gospel, the answer is simple. Vote for neither and your conscience is clear. You pray for the salvation of whoever is in office.
I know there are those who will take issue with this. They will say that it is the sacred duty of every God-fearing right wibg rvangelical to vote. That being they vote right. They vote Republican or Tea Party. They will say we need to turn America back to God. Vote right.
Saints let's be Christ-minded here. Paul proclaimed only one message. It is summed up in the first part of 1 Cor.15 as the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In another place he told the elders at Ephesus that his message was that people would turn to God in repentence and have faith in Jesus. His message was the gospel. That is our message.
As those that have been transformed by the gospel we our to be separate from the system of Babylon called America and call for immigration to a heavenly kingdom, the Jerusalem above that is free. The borders and entrance into the heavenly kingdom are still open. But one day that door will close, never to be open again.
Let us proclaim a gospel of invitation to people to come into the kingdom. May the gospel of the kingdom go forth in America.
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It is interesting that those churches that are having revival are in persecuted countries. Among those countries are Iran and China.
| 2012/4/21 10:20|
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Here is a question I asked recently on my facebook that is related to this topic. As an American citizen I am a Christian who is a citizen of a greater Kingdom with Christ as its Lord. I'm wondering how surrendered I am to Jesus Christ. Is my freedom to vote according to my choice even surrendered to His will? In other words is my choice subject to the will of Jesus Christ?
What if I prayed and He told me it was His will for me to vote for Barack Obama?
SI Moderator - Jeremy Hulsey
| 2012/4/21 12:07||Profile|
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All hijacking attepmts of threads aside with all and various subjects not raised...
I don't think that anyone is "hijacking" this thread, Frank. You raised an issue when you said:
"It will be interesting to see how the Evangelical community responds to Govenor Romney. The vast majority of the Evangelical communinty consider Mormonism to be a cult and heretical. This Pastor, who seems to have a good handle on what Mormonism is, still calls for compromise and the lesser of two evils when voting this upcoming election. Should a Christian compromise, should a Christian settle for the lesser of two evils?
The perspective that I (and others) may have raised is in regard to these points.
First of all, I pointed out that Romney's Mormonism or Obama's Liberation Theology are less consequential for many (including believers) simply because they aren't voting for their doctrines or religious beliefs. They are simply deciding between two major (and many minor) candidates for a single four year executive position.
Consequently, the notion that it is "compromise" doesn't hold to individuals who choose to vote for one of the candidates. It isn't "allegiance" to a flawed man or his religious views any more than my secular employer "compromised" his agnostic views when he hired me.
Our faith is not compromised simply because we make a seemingly "secular" decision since no real believers will "make excuses" for Mormonism, Catholicism or Liberation Theology. They may point to the hypocrisy of dissecting one cult but not the others, but it isn't a "defense" of the heresies taught by any religion. This is why I said that Americans are electing a president and not a pastor.
Moreover, there is a difference between "moral righteousness" and pure religious faith. Believe it or not, there are some agnostic people who believe that abortion is the equivalent of murder. Some view "free speech" pornography, drunkenness, vulgarity, disrespect of parents and authorities, homosexuality, government-enforced religious suppression and other things as immoral or simply wrong. They don't attribute their beliefs to the mind of Christ. They simply feel it to be wrong and vote accordingly. Likewise, there are believers who see the "effect" of doctrinal truths and vote accordingly.
In this sense, there is no "genuine crisis" when believers are firmly aware that they are not endorsing a religious faith. They are simply endorsing matters of righteousness that are taught (or even directed) by their faith in God.
As hulsey indicated, one should ask if they feel the liberty to vote according to their choice "surrendered to His will." In regard to the election, BrotherTom pointed out that he doesn't think that America has even had a Christian in the White House for over a century. I can't pretend to know if this is true. However, I can analyze the impacting decisions and promises of the various flawed men who are running for this four year position and then PRAYERFULLY (with all sincerity) decide which one to choose or whether or not I should even make the choice in the first place.
You questioned about the "price" paid by those who refused to "compromise" over the centuries. However, no believer should be so audacious as to try and question the sincerity or credibility of the faith of those who do choose to vote or not -- or risk being labeled a "compromiser" for doing so -- if they are doing so with a clear conscience and after much prayer.
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Chris I have read your post and know you possess a keen analytical mind. I also see you have a heart set on Jesus. Certainly you, better,than most know the satanic orgions of Mormonism and its ties to the Masons. In some masonic circles the mormon temple is regarded as an unofficial masonic lodge.
Mitt Romney serves in some of the highest offices in the Mormon church. I will have to Google but my guess is he is a mason. Such people, as Romney, do not rise to power in the Mormon or mason hierarchy unless they are tapped for power. Somewhere along the way their allegiance is given to Satan.
If we understand the evil, satanic, orgions of mormonism do we want Mitt Romney for President? Or Barracks Obama? That is why I say that for a Christian to keep his conscience clear they should not vote.
The fact is Obama will probably be reelected. But as a believer I cannot cast my vote for a man who is a product of a satanic system.
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"The fact is Obama will probably be reelected. But as a believer I cannot cast my vote for a man who is a product of a satanic system"
This is exactly what interested me when I started this thread,not whether you should vote or not. Thanks Bearmaster............bro Frank
| 2012/4/21 14:15|
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Voting for Romney isn't necessarily an endorsement of his Mormonism as being a valid "sect" within Christianity. Although, I fear that his being elected could bring it more into the mainstream, and I'm worried that many Christians have showed increasing tolerance toward Mormon beliefs. However, I think this is probably more out of their own ignorance of basic Christian dogma and how it violently contrasts with Mormon theology more than any sort of ecumenical spirit. It's altogether out of ignorance.
I am politically conservative. I'm much more libertarian in my political leanings, and would prefer somebody like Ron Paul being on the ballot. Indeed, last election cycle I voted for the libertarian candidate. I did not vote John McCain.
I think ultimately the question as to whether or not one should endorse Romney or not depends on how much you think his Mormon beliefs influence his political life. There are some Mormon politicians who are Republican. There are some who are democrat. There are also some Catholics who are republican. There are also some who are democrat. And it is clear from even the casual observer that for some of these men and women, their religious associations have had little influence on the politics of their public policy. If you think Romney is heavily influenced by his Mormonism, then you might reconsider voting for him. If not, then you may consider voting for him. Same goes with president Obama and his affiliations.
It is my observation that to get that far in the political sphere, you probably aren't the most religious person in the world. I am personally suspect of the moral character of just about any man that would seriously run for the office of president. To get there, you have to play a very big game. And to get there, you owe a lot of powerful and wicked men a lot of political favors. I have serious doubt that you could honestly get that position these days, without having sold your soul first.
Romney is probably just as Mormon as JFK was Catholic. Which is to say... not very much. But, I'm still not decided on this point. As it is, I don't plan on voting for Romney. He's not really a conservative.
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"It is my observation that to get that far in the political sphere, you probably aren't the most religious person in the world. I am personally suspect of the moral character of just about any man that would seriously run for the office of president. To get there, you have to play a very big game. And to get there, you owe a lot of powerful and wicked men a lot of political favors. I have serious doubt that you could honestly get that position these days, without having sold your soul first. Romney is probably just as Mormon as JFK was Catholic."
I would tend to agree with that position. Which takes us back to Hulsey's point. If men have to sell their souls to get that powerful, and we seek God to guide us in all that we do, would God have us indulge in the mire that is, as has been pointed out by Neil and Bearmaster, the Babylonian system. We are in the world by needs must, but not off the world.
"Romney is probably just as Mormon as JFK was Catholic"
I do not agree with that statement. Romney has held high office in the Mormon faith, he is no hapless Mormon, he knows as much about Mormonism as there is to know. He is a high member of a cult that not only denies the Trinity but also is extremly heretical in most of their beliefs. And of course he was pro abortion for much of his political career in the north east.......... bro Frank
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